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AC Adapter went bad

MrMacintosh

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So. Finally found the adapter for my 520s and 500PPC. Plugged it in to the wall (not even to the laptop yet) and BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT!! Obviously unplugged it. Now, no sign of life when plugged in. Looking inside, there's nothing obviously burned/leaking/exploded. Is this even worth taking a multimeter to or should I just try to find another one?

Thanks,

Kyle-

 

Elfen

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Looking inside, there's nothing obviously burned/leaking/exploded
Death lurks in the shadows behind every tree, bush and stone. Almost very time when the caps leak on the PowerBook's Power Bricks, they leak, pool and collect under the caps. You can not  see the damage until they are removed and then you can see the damage done.

There are several threads to fix this. I recommend Ferrix97's threads on fixing Power Bricks on assorted PowerBooks, including the PB500 series.

https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/25830-leaking-capacitors-inside-powerbook-500-series-power-supply/

https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/23399-leaky-elna-capacitors-inside-powerbook-power-brick/

Read them both and then get the Multimeter and solder iron...

 

Paralel

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Its hard to say, if the caps were goners, and you plugged it in, it's possible other parts may have been fried due to the caps not working right, or just a short caused by goo being present.

If you have the time, see if you can save it, but honestly when they do that, I just chuck them and get another one. I'm sure our more technical members will disagree with this philosophy.

I've only had 1 out of 4 power adapters for the 500 series actually work. One immediately smelled like burned electronics. One did the buzz you mentioned. One was just straight up DOA.

 
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techknight

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Probably shorted the main switching FET, and popped the little microfuse. 

In this case, you would need new caps, a new switching MOSFET, its associated gate resistor, and the SMPS driver IC attached to it, as well as a new fuse. 

 
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Paralel

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This is why I'm looking into adapting a modern power adapter to work with the 500 series.

 

techknight

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I forget what the voltages are, but it shouldnt be too difficult, adapting a couple of meanwells or something to it.

 

gsteemso

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In principle, hiding a more efficient, stable, reliable, and (one would hope) long-lived modern power supply in the eviscerated carcass of the original unit (i.e., reusing the case), thus both preserving appearances and protecting the delicate vintage electronics in the actual laptop, would be a really good idea.

Unfortunately, as far as I can tell based on a very few reports by the presumably knowledgeable minority who regularly do real repair work on these things, the original design has held up fairly well over the decades, even in comparison to more recently designed units—which, one might have hoped, were put together with a better understanding of how to make them excel (apart from the need to recap them, of course). Thus, unless your vintage wall wart really is verging on irreparability, the most cost-effective course of action appears to be a simple recap and cleaning. (I would welcome corrections on this point from anyone with actual field experience in performing such repairs.)

I admit to having been somewhat annoyed about basic repairs being the most effective way forward save in extreme cases, considering how utterly undamaged and even pristine my dead PB 1xx supplies appear (which implies an irritatingly opaque and tedious diagnostic sequence in my future, should I wish to do a proper job of fixing them). Then I realized that it represents an entirely new (to me) aspect of our hobby to roll up my metaphorical sleeves and get stuck into, which I figure is very unlikely to be a truly bad thing when all is said and done.

 

MrMacintosh

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gsteemso, you've essentially summed up why I lost most of the interest in the hobby, although I didn't quite know it yet. Back when I started, vintage Macs were easy to find at Goodwill, garage sales, and online, and normally the worst they'd need was a new hard drive to get them back on their feet. Now, we need new capacitors left and right, have plastics that break when you touch them, and power adapters that go Bang! when you plug them in.

I understand that's how aging computers go, but I just don't have the time to devote, save for a few select machines.  :(

 

gsteemso

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Well, I agree that the loss of “just turn it on and, presto, nostalgia!” from vintage Maccery is a bit of a downer, but I have come to see it from another perspective after giving the matter some thought over the past few years.

The way I look at it, our fellow retrocomputing enthusiasts who came to the hobby through earlier systems (or less well-engineered ones, in a few regrettable cases) have been dealing with uncooperative and/or fragile hardware for a long time, but they get no reduced levels of enjoyment from it; it simply becomes necessary to allot a greater amount of time to the care and hardware servicing of each individual machine than was formerly required.

What we Mac collectors are now experiencing is the transition from fiddling with vintage SOFTWARE on non-new but still reliable-like-new hardware, to fiddling with vintage HARDWARE and then, once that is working, proceeding to the fiddling-around-with of software. That is more or less how it always has been for enthusiasts of older systems, but as was well noted in the advertising of the 1980s, you didn’t need to be a hardware technician to use a Mac.

I figure this paradigm shift has got to be more jarring for Mac users than for many of those who came before, because the Mac was the first truly widely adopted platform where you really didn’t need to know much about how it actually worked at very low levels in order to get full and productive use out of it. Most user-performed techie adjustments on Macs in the 90s were done in software rather than in hardware; suddenly needing to know about hardware in order to keep your Macs usable has got to be a fairly sharp adjustment to make for a lot of people.

All things considered, I think that the aging-hardware issues such as capacitor decay that are beginning to become the norm for Mac collectors merely add a bit of depth to our experiences. Learning new things is rarely really bad.

 
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