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Powerbook 520 happiness

alexGS

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Imitating the good-news post about the Powerbook 100, I couldn’t resist sharing a happy post about my 520 which arrived a week ago. I’d bought a power adapter previously - which was dead - but recapping it brought it to life.

The 520 came with two batteries both showing the usual corrosion; the terminals inside the Powerbook were also encrusted with blue crystals, which I managed to remove with vinegar, leaving the terminals usable.

I opened the batteries using a chisel, working my way around the edges and then carefully prying the area behind the PCB from the cell side using a screwdriver.

I’d bought 4/3AA 1500mAh cells in readiness but these are the wrong size - too small in diameter and too short. I built a battery pack anyway and - long story short - the PCB seemed to be faulty and didn’t measure the current, so didn’t charge correctly. With the other PCB, the battery ran the machine for about half an hour and reported a capacity of 438mAh - not too impressive, but a good start.

I rebuilt the pack again with tabbed AA cells (2000mAh) bought locally ($$$) and got a much better result where the machine ran for more than an hour and half with the hard drive in constant use and screen full-brightness :) I wonder if other people here get even more? I’m happy with that.

Both the EMMPathy and Lind utilities tell me the battery memory is corrupted and can’t be repaired, but either will reset the battery and it seems to work anyway. Both batteries were previously showing cycle count around 100 and factory capacity just over 2000mAh. After the reset, they show a factory capacity of 1752mAh.

I found the EMMPathy Smart Probe the most useful to see what’s going on. After rebuilding with the tabbed cells, the current measurement was not working (showing -13mA even when charging) and the voltage would jump from 9.5V to 16.3V and back again. This turned out to be poor connectivity between the corroded copper ribbon and the cells. I bypassed it with wire and the current/voltage sensing is correct now. Actual capacity was measured at 1672mAh after the first full discharge. Charge current is 975-988mA.
 

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alexGS

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“520 happiness“ was soon balanced out by “540c great disappointment” :(

I bought this from an eBay listing a year ago in great condition. It’s been at a friend’s place in Maryland until last week, when I arranged to have it picked up and shipped to me. I knew about the busted casing, but that friend never showed me a photo of the screen.

On the bright side, I can hear the 540c trying to start up. Two working 520c have arrived, one with 36MB of RAM and 420MB HD and some casing damage, the other with no casing damage at all - and I love that sticker saying it’s Ready for PowerPC! (I’m not).

I’ve spent about US$600 on this lot (US$140 was shipping internationally and US$50 shipping within the USA when the damage occurred), but at least I have enough bits to make a 520c with a 33MHz processor and a pristine casing, a 520c in standard spec, and a 520 with a few busted bits. It feels like I’ll never have an actual 540c, but maybe one day I will find another.
 

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alexGS

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Awww man.. too bad about the screen. :(
Thank you. Sometimes I wonder why it’s had to be so difficult to get one of these!

It couldn’t be sent directly to me in the first place because of the batteries - shipment was rejected, had to be either returned to sender or sent to that friend of mine in the USA. If I’d known it would take a whole year before I’d see the machine… maybe I would have pressed harder to have it returned to sender (who’d said ‘no returns’). It’s really hard to know when it was actually broken…
 

jmacz

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I have been watching eBay for cheap 520 parts only listings that have non corroded batteries. Trying to get some to rebuild so I can get two working ones. Keep getting outbid and not willing to pay an arm and a leg for just really the batteries :)
 

croissantking

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Ah, that’s so unfortunate. Keep trying. I thought the rule about batteries was that they’re not allowed to be sent loose, but can be sent within a device. Maybe it’s different where you are.

420MB HD is great, does it work? My 500 series finds came with 250 and 320MB IBM drives. The 250 worked great for months and then suddenly died, while the 320 is still going but has stiction and is on its last legs.

“520 happiness“ was soon balanced out by “540c great disappointment” :(

I bought this from an eBay listing a year ago in great condition. It’s been at a friend’s place in Maryland until last week, when I arranged to have it picked up and shipped to me. I knew about the busted casing, but that friend never showed me a photo of the screen.

On the bright side, I can hear the 540c trying to start up. Two working 520c have arrived, one with 36MB of RAM and 420MB HD and some casing damage, the other with no casing damage at all - and I love that sticker saying it’s Ready for PowerPC! (I’m not).

I’ve spent about US$600 on this lot (US$140 was shipping internationally and US$50 shipping within the USA when the damage occurred), but at least I have enough bits to make a 520c with a 33MHz processor and a pristine casing, a 520c in standard spec, and a 520 with a few busted bits. It feels like I’ll never have an actual 540c, but maybe one day I will find another.
 

Iesca

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What suggestions are there for opening the batteries for the 500s? My 540's battery is a 3rd-party one, and I can't think of a way to open it except to dremel it.
 

alexGS

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Ah, that’s so unfortunate. Keep trying. I thought the rule about batteries was that they’re not allowed to be sent loose, but can be sent within a device. Maybe it’s different where you are.

420MB HD is great, does it work? My 500 series finds came with 250 and 320MB IBM drives. The 250 worked great for months and then suddenly died, while the 320 is still going but has stiction and is on its last legs.
Sorry; I carried the one wrongly ;) it is a 320MB IBM drive, like yours, and seems to run fine.

The shattered remains of the 540c contains a 1GB Apple drive - but it’s IDE! - has an adaptor attached to make it SCSI. Looks genuine. It doesn’t boot but starts to, and then produces a Sad Mac error that I believe means the System file is faulty, so a relatively easy fix.

I’ve managed to make a Disk Tools disk and started up to find what looks like a fresh install of MacOS 8.0 on that drive. Thinking out loud; I don’t know if 8.0 is a good idea on these machines? My other two PowerBooks are a 100 and a Wallstreet (7.0.1 and 9.2.2 respectively) so perhaps having 8.0 on a 520/540 makes sense, but I think it would run better with 7.6? I don’t think 8.0 is any more useful now, as its Internet features are so outdated :)

Meanwhile I have found several sellers of the Toshiba LTM09C017 LCD panel on eBay and even AliExpress, which has got my hopes up (price is - well, just about affordable at about US$180 shipped) - I do wonder whether they are scammers though, as they all seem to use the same photo. I think it’s worth the punt on eBay, as eBay have been kind to me when items haven’t been shipped and sellers have disappeared etc.
 
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alexGS

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What suggestions are there for opening the batteries for the 500s? My 540's battery is a 3rd-party one, and I can't think of a way to open it except to dremel it.
I don’t know how a third-party battery compares to the original, sorry - but in general, I find a sharp chisel around the edges tapped with a mallet is better (safer) than a knife - the impacts help to crack the plastic apart.

I’ve been successful with the two that I’ve done in that they go back together (with a little hot glue in the corners) and still fit easily in the battery bay.

Some of the plastic from this era is horrific - one of my power adapters works, but the casing is like cheese. It’s not so much brittle as just very weak, and shatters apart with the slightest pressure. I think it will be safer if I 3D-print a housing for it. I haven’t encountered a battery that bad, however - their plastic is still flexible and tough.
 

croissantking

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What suggestions are there for opening the batteries for the 500s? My 540's battery is a 3rd-party one, and I can't think of a way to open it except to dremel it.
Go round and round the seam of the housing with a sharp Stanley blade.
 

alexGS

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That’s even nicer, you could probably use it with larger IDE drives too.
Oh ok - thanks! I wasn’t sure if an adapted IDE drive was somehow degraded in performance compared to a SCSI drive. IDE drives used to be slower but that was a very long time ago.

I edited my post above to include a question about OS versions, sorry I did that just after you read it :) I’d be interested to hear what you reckon works best on these LC040 machines.
 

croissantking

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I’ve managed to make a Disk Tools disk and started up to find what looks like a fresh install of MacOS 8.0 on that drive. Thinking out loud; I don’t know if 8.0 is a good idea on these machines? My other two PowerBooks are a 100 and a Wallstreet (7.0.1 and 9.2.2 respectively) so perhaps having 8.0 on a 520/540 makes sense, but I think it would run better with 7.6? I don’t think 8.0 is any more useful now, as its Internet features are so outdated :)
I prefer to run OS 8.1 on mine - performance-wise, it’s pretty snappy. I would maybe drop down to 7.6.1 if I didn’t like OS 8 for some reason.
 

alexGS

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I prefer to run OS 8.1 on mine - performance-wise, it’s pretty snappy. I would maybe drop down to 7.6.1 if I didn’t like OS 8 for some reason.
Good to know - thanks! - instead of fixing this 8.0 that has 88 system extensions and no apps anyway, perhaps I’ll try a fresh install of 8.1 :)
 

croissantking

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Some of the plastic from this era is horrific - one of my power adapters works, but the casing is like cheese. It’s not so much brittle as just very weak, and shatters apart with the slightest pressure. I think it will be safer if I 3D-print a housing for it. I haven’t encountered a battery that bad, however - their plastic is still flexible and tough.
One of my 500 series power adapters is as fragile as cheese, and I have another that is really, really tough.
 

3lectr1cPPC

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Me too. I opened both my originals in a vice for recapping (neither worked after recapping...).
One case took a solid 10 minutes of tight pressure in the vice, along with prying with a screwdriver, which mangled to case rather significantly, just to get it open. No cracks.

The other instantly formed multiple large stress cracks and popped open in 15 seconds flat.
 

MacUp72

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The shattered remains of the 540c contains a 1GB Apple drive - but it’s IDE! - has an adaptor attached to make it SCSI. Looks genuine. It doesn’t boot but starts to, and then produces a Sad Mac error that I believe means the System file is faulty, so a relatively easy fix.
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wow that rare scsi/ide adapter is worth the price alone..
can you post a pic of it?
 

croissantking

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Must be like the one in this old thread:

 

alexGS

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wow that rare scsi/ide adapter is worth the price alone..
can you post a pic of it?
Yes, croissantking is right - same as first photos in that thread and same as described at https://web.archive.org/web/20090108095627/http://home.comcast.net/~macdan/pb_scsi_ata.html (says it came with the Apple 1GB drive).

I gather that it works up to about 8GB drive size, but only 0.5MB/s sounds very slow. I suppose I could test it with a CF card and see how the speed compares to the 1GB IDE drive or the 320MB SCSI drive. I think a Powerbook wouldn’t feel the same without the distinctive ticking/rattling sound :)
 

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jmacz

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I prefer to run OS 8.1 on mine - performance-wise, it’s pretty snappy. I would maybe drop down to 7.6.1 if I didn’t like OS 8 for some reason.

I actually am on the other end... I run 7.5.5 on mine and am considering downgrading further to 7.1.2 :) Most likely because 6 and early 7 were the versions I used mostly back in the day.
 
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