No I don't care how much it goes for. Let's recall why this thread was made, shall we? [] ]'>003 the more you talk the weirder you sound. Are you trying to get people to bid this up to $2000 so the $500 or so you sunk into your se/30 (money you seem to not have) sound more reasonable? I mean if it doesn't go over $400 will you freak or something? Get a grip.
They were stupid.Looks like the first bidder screwed himself by not using the BIN while it was there. How could they NOT think that this item was going to bid higher than that?
How can you say that? The original bidder had a max bid of $405, BIN was $500 which he didn't want to spend (and lost the auction). It is logical to put in a bid somewhere between the original minimum bid and lower then the BIN price in the hope there won't be too many people bidding. You do recall there wasn't much in the way of pictures when the 1st bid went in.Looks like the first bidder screwed himself by not using the BIN while it was there. How could they NOT think that this item was going to bid higher than that?
One data point means nothing. Don't confuse what you are willing to pay with what everybody else on the planet is willing to pay. Prices for niche stuff like this bounces all over the place depending on if the collector with the money has this item yet or not. Maybe if you didn't have this already you would have bid it up 003, but since you did it didn't go as high as you would have made it go otherwise.They were stupid.Looks like the first bidder screwed himself by not using the BIN while it was there. How could they NOT think that this item was going to bid higher than that?
I am surprised it went for only this low. There was recently an Xceed card on e-bay, without the 5 point cable or grayscale adapter, just the card alone, untested, that went for $535. My bet is that if he had more detailed pictures of the parts as well as pictures of it running, the bid would have been much, MUCH higher.
I still would have to side with 003's logic a bit on this fellow. I mean, unless he's a complete newbie on EBAY, he should have known that the BIN was "a deal" relative to what that video card setup alone has sold for in the past.The guy was looking for a deal...
You just don't get it, you do know that some people with that card never paid much of anything for it don't you? You are the same person who said it would go for $2000 or some crazy number, you paid more for your setup and it doesn't have a solid state SCSI HD either.There's kind of a SLIGHT difference between a hard drive and an se/30 with some of the rarest upgrades ever made for it all in one auction...
Things which go unsaid (logic and common sense) dictate what can and can not be under bid.
And you know darn well that most of the people who bid on rare se/30 upgrades on e-bay are insane with how much money they spend.
Don't try and say it would be possible for an se/30 with a collection of the rarest and most sought after and absurdly expensive upgrades would EVER, in this or ANY parallel universe sell for $405 or less. Think rationally here. You seem to have a bias against the se/30 in saying you think the most maxed out se/30 would be only worth $50 to you. Well that's fine and good to be your opinion but it is not shared by any of the whack job se/30 bidders that patrol e-bay 24/7, unfortunately.
And the real problem here is that when enough guys bid $20 for an item such as you referenced, then sellers get the idea in their heads that $20 is the going rate and start setting reserves or higher opening bids or shilling their own auctions. It doesn't matter that only 0.1% of bidders are crazy enough to go that high but enough of them win that it creates a false perception about the rarity or desirability of the item and the rest of us with a more realistic idea of the value have no chance of ever getting one unless we play the same game, which fuels prices even further. Rare and valuable items deserve the high prices they get most of the time, more common items don't. This is the main reason I snipe rather than broadcast my intentions by bidding early. I also leave less of a trail to follow later if someone wants to check the most recent items I won. If the bids all end in the same price range and at or near my maximum bid, it gives both the opposition, as well any future seller of similar items, a chance to analyze my bids and figure out where my limits are. If the auctions I win end all over the place with no discernible pattern, it offers me some protection and more chances to win at lower prices.I still would have to side with 003's logic a bit on this fellow. I mean, unless he's a complete newbie on EBAY, he should have known that the BIN was "a deal" relative to what that video card setup alone has sold for in the past.The guy was looking for a deal...
But this one auction is merely one of many cases where the "lesser informed" or "ignorant" in our classic Mac community only work to drive up prices for us all. In my mind, it's not about grayscale cards or rare video cards, it's about anything we want to buy on EBAY (classic Mac merchandise, I mean). I often want to snap up a simple programmer's switch and someone things it's worth $20 and drives the price into outer space. While such utter stupidity may put smiles on the faces of sellers, it certainly causes me much bewilderment and frustration. For even when I myself was a "newbie" on EBAY, I had the sense to check out how other people bid and determined a "reasonable value" for items before I ever engaged in bidding.
Sometimes I feel we need a school specifically to train people how to exercise "good judgment" when it comes to bidding on EBAY!
Anyway, getting back more to the topic of this thread, I can only add that it is highly unlikely a grayscale setup will appear on EBAY for a price that any of us in this thread can afford (or would be willing to afford). I myself would spent a couple hundred dollars (as I did on a DiiMO CPU card recently), but certainly not more than that. Grayscale on an SE/30 is rare and would be really fund to tinker with, I know, but it's just not worth $500-$800 USD. No matter what way I look at it or how much I want it, I simply could never justify that cost.
X2 I get really annoying when I see untested se/30 logic boards with bad caps going on e-bay for $40 or more...Rare and valuable items deserve the high prices they get most of the time, more common items don't.