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ZZJ's Shenanigans

zigzagjoe

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Figured I'd throw a thread together for my (mostly SE/30-related) nonsense.

Background: Many of my vintage machines came from Goodwill back in 2004 - even still have the original stickers from these two SE/30s for $20! But they'd sat idle on my shelf since 2005 or so, and it was time to either fix all my vintage stuff or get rid of them. Thankfully, I had removed the batteries - unfortunately, along with most fasteners, the RF shields, HDD caddys and cables being lost too.

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With a round of recapping and dealing with the ravages of capacitor juice (dramatic simplification), both were once again functional. I was prepared to settle for one, but both was a bonus. I replaced the gear in both floppies - they were of a spreadable consistency. ABs and PSUs both were recapped despite working fine - no sense waiting for them to fail.

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Both LBs needed a couple of bodges... the left board needed the ASC and SCSI chips resoldered and UE8 replaced. The right, SCSI needed a resolder job, and the audio amplifier section had to be entirely rebuilt as several parts had rotted off the board. Later, I cleaned them up further, replaced the 12v rail caps with 25v rated ones, and was able to remove the bodges on the left in favor of trace repairs.

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Along the way were some horrific experiments in being a cheapskate with peripherals: An Apple II mouse to ADB adapter (not actually sure why I had an apple II mouse. I've never had one.). A trackpoint to ADB adapter. And a replacement spacebar for an AEK II, from an appledesign donor with 3D printed bits.

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All working!!! With some replacement parts from ebay and a local Mac preservationist, I now have two happy SE/30s:

#1 - 128MB of vintage mitsubishi RAM (from goodwill!), a farallon NIC and 2GB IBM HDD
#2 - 20MB of vintage RAM, not much else. An external bluescsi to allow it to do something other than boot off a floppy.

(along with my Tandy 102 and Toshiba T1200 that were fixed up along the way)

So the question was, what next, what now? I'm fiddling with my macs again, and that's great, but I really want to tinker on hardware! Somehow, I convinced myself that I'd make the poor decision to try to build the "ideal" setup of grayscale + asante w/ removable AUI + socketted accelerator. I'd had a IIsi previously, and it was notably snappier - but it'd be fun to have one machine that can do both! And hopefully, run A/UX too. Of course, this is all easier said than done....

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Easiest to come by was the Asante Maccon 30ie - a straightforward if not inexpensive ebay find. Replace the connector with a right angle, and we're stackable. Later, I added a pull-up on the CPU clock signal as it was being drawn down with both cards, causing bus errors.

Next up with the Micron Xceed Color 30, which was a Buyee find. Not being satisfied with the fixed VGA resolution, I hacked on the 30HR ROM to make it work with the older ASIC to gain the additional resolution support. In effect, it is now a Color 30HR. Later, I got the original Micron code into a buildable state, adding a workaround for the grayscale setup not working with A/UX. I made a metal bracket out of the remains of a Dell PSU to act as both a support and EMI shield to protect the Xceed card.

The final piece of the puzzle was the hardest: The (fabled?) Socketted Daystar Powercache. I did not see one of these come up for sale, and still haven't, aside from a Bolle clone. However, Bolle was so kind as to post the schematics and GAL equations for the DiimoCache ... PDS being what it is - there's no reason I couldn't remake it in a socketted form-factor.... right?

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Right. So, that happened. I redrew the schematics in Kicad, (poorly) routed them with Freerouting's help (then spent a day fixing its mess), then had the boards made at Jlcpcb. Built them up and it works great! These (and presumably the original Diimo) even work under A/UX if you load the control panel to enable cache prior to A/UX boot.

After this came the quest for more speed: I wanted to get it to 60mhz. I settled with upgrading #1 to 58mhz CPU & FPU with 128KB of cache, where the original design being 50mhz CPU, 25mhz FPU, and 64KB cache. Not bad! Faster than anything else with a 68030, for sure.

So this completed SE/30 #1.
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Along the way, a friend gave me a steal on a IIgs keyboard, and I got some nice deals on a West Ridge Designs carrying bag and floppy wallet. The carry bag being complete with a vintage tag proclaiming it to be Northwest Airlink Carry On Baggage. With a 3D-printed replacement foot, it's ready to fly again, though it's now too wide to be compliant :(

Finding myself at loose ends, I turned to some software tinkering, until I came across this on Buyee: An Interware GrandVimage 24-21s. Buyee would not allow you to bid on it, as per the auction description the seller would delete bids from Zenmarket and probably the other auction proxy sites. However, I was able to use Treasure Japan to bid on the auction. Nahoko Yamada was great to deal with and eventually I had the card in hand.

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What fun! This card is great. I believe it's the most capable video card (and probably one of the last...) made for the SE/30. It features quickdraw acceleration and will do 1152x870 at 24 bit or 1280x1024 at 8 bit. Not bad for $90!!

I had been flirting with the idea of getting rid of the second SE/30, but clearly I need to keep it for this card. The machine needs a niche... what's it going to be? Further shenanigans are planned :]
 
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s_pupp

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If I were to say “I’m extremely impressed,” it would be the understatement of the year. Very well done!
 

Funkotronic

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Hi kidz. I’ve kind of been absent more or less from 68K Mac for a long time, and reading this thread I am stunned at the level of rebuilding that can be done these days! What caught my eye was the chatter about the color video card, so I figured I’d share this here. I haven’t checked the card yet, but I have a MacEffects transparent blue case coming for the SE 30 that the card lived in, hiding away all these years until like looked at the back of the machine a couple of weeks ago. To be fair, when I bought the machine, I was in the middle of moving, so it’s ended up at the bottom of the stacks. Looks like I’m back to being an enthusiast.

I am also liquidating a whole bunch of beige :)IMG_1308.jpegIMG_1309.jpeg
 

zigzagjoe

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Here's round two: building up the second SE/30. First up is a socketed Carrera 040 accelerator. A similar process to the diimo clone; I redrew bolle's schematics, incorporating the additional logic necessary for operation in a SE/30, then designed a PCB around the form factor I desired with a number of minor tweaks to ease design.

Again, a massive thanks goes out to Bolle for posting the the schematics he reverse engineered, this would not have been possible without that. I had the board made at JLCPCB again and ordered some of the obsolete components from Utsource... absolutely the most painful part of the process, I think. Note: Do not order a 68040 from utsource! I got a remarked old-as-dirt 68040 that I'm still trying to return.

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A bit of mildly tetchy assembly and it's together, and with a bit of futzing with the inverted clock signal we're working with surprisingly little fuss, other than to determine my old 68040 required a cooler for operation. A very short heatsink from a slot machine addressed its cooling needs, and we're fully functional @ 45mhz with working cache too! I found some interesting performance quirks that make the practical gap between the fast 68030 and 68040 smaller than one would expect - that's a topic for another thread.

@jlindsay26 hooked me up with a NOS Asante MacCon that was back in business after replacing the crystal. This got a right angle connector to allow stacking, and I built another card support bracket out of the side of an old dell PSU.

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While hunting some wobbles and wibbles affecting the CRT, the analog board got a full resolder job, and a Seasonic PSU installed into an Astec housing along with a homemade anti-wibble device (LC filter) to reduce the HDD's interference on the picture. I came across a cheap original Connectix Quickcam along the way and it's working again after a recap job. Turns out, they are absolutely lousy with caps - which had leaked all over the place as tends to happen.

After all of that... it's done ?? Final specs....

32 MB(8x4mb) RAM
500MB Apple HDD: Dual boot Mac OS 8.1 + 6.0.8
Carrera 040 @ 45mhz w/ 128KB cache
Interware GrandVimage 24-21s - accelerated video at up to 1152*864 24bit or 1280*1024 8bit
Asante MacCon, Seasonic PSU retrofit

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Outside of 68K land, I picked up my first PPC iBook ever as a homage to the two B&W G3s I traded away earlier this year. As we can see, the cat has already claimed it. Somehow, it's even complete with a fully functional battery and charger - not bad for a bit over $100. Looking forward to playing Bugdom and Nanosaur soon!

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zigzagjoe

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More shenanigans!

I developed a Silly Tiny SCSI emulator: a derivative of the ZuluSCSI Pico design to scratch a particular itch of mine
It's really small! Not only does it provide as much SCSI storage as you might want, it supports the new Daynaport functionality for wireless networking too.

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On the mac front, in order to troubleshoot an issue with the Tiny SCSI, I got my first Quadra: a naked (and slightly muddy) Centris 650 board. Yuick!

Happily, after a good scrub and straightening of pins on the djMEMC, it bonged on the first boot. Power is courtesy of an ATX adapter, running off the power supply from a surplus Palo Alto firewall appliance. Of course, it got a 20mhz crystal from the junk box for 40mhz operation, a fan and a speaker repurposed from a dell Optiplex. (All my old macs seem to end up with pieces of dell computers in them)

Its future is likely in a rack mount case to act as an AFP server.

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Courtesy of @Paulie, the Carrera SE/30 has been upgraded to a SE/40 with the addition of appropriate labeling.
Bonus: Only slightly extremely janky SCSI setup to test with a SCSI card. Count the adapters!

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zigzagjoe

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AppleShare Pro! AppleShare Pro! :p
As suggested, it has been turned into an appleshare pro server in my closet. With @cheesestraws's VNC server for remote management and a dummy plug to keep video active, it can be managed via VNC or Telnet (very secure). We will see if I am brave enough to try to get a samba version to compile and run on it for modern file exchange.

Is it still a single board computer if it's a single piece of particleboard?

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CC_333

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Is it still a single board computer if it's a single piece of particleboard?
Well, if it all fits on a single piece of particle board, then it technically would be a single "board" computer as far as I'm concerned.

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xporadio

Member
Would you ever consider selling boards for the accelerator & cache board, or posting the board files? I've got 3 SE/30's i'd like to restore and beef up.
 

zigzagjoe

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Would you ever consider selling boards for the accelerator & cache board, or posting the board files? I've got 3 SE/30's i'd like to restore and beef up.

At the moment, I'm not planning to sell or release the Diimo or Carrera designs. Frankly, they're a massive pain in the rear to build, there's minor issues on the first run of PCBs that require corrections, and in the case of Carrera, it's wretched to source parts for. I may sell the spare Diimo at some point, but that would be it for the moment. Possibly someday I may revise the Diimo to be more practical to build.

However, I am planning to mass produce these little accelerators: https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/fs-socketed-interware-booster-for-se-30-iix.46715/ and should have some available soon.
 

SparrowRat

Active member
Hey, you said you bought some parts from UTSource. I've been thinking about getting some parts for my apple 1 replica from them (am2804PC shift registers). What is your experience with them?
 

zigzagjoe

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Hey, you said you bought some parts from UTSource. I've been thinking about getting some parts for my apple 1 replica from them (am2804PC shift registers). What is your experience with them?
It was .... fine. I guess. I did get parts I needed in the end.

Of the parts I ordered, one was a high probability to be counterfeit (68040) and was indeed remarked. Returning it was an utter circus that required opening a paypal dispute, but it did get done. Not sure if they will do business with me again, though. Another item - tag SRAM - was a bit dodgy looking, so I didn't use it.

I'd lean towards you're probably fine, however, with less in demand parts.
 

trag

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Hey, you said you bought some parts from UTSource. I've been thinking about getting some parts for my apple 1 replica from them (am2804PC shift registers). What is your experience with them?

Unsolicited, but my experience with UTSource is that many (most?) of their listed prices on parts are a fantasy. Request an actual quote on all parts you wish to buy and do not assume that because they listed a price and quantity on their website that they actually have any.
 

MacUp72

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Here's round two: building up the second SE/30. First up is a socketed Carrera 040 accelerator. A similar process to the diimo clone; I redrew bolle's schematics, incorporating the additional logic necessary for operation in a SE/30, then designed a PCB around the form factor I desired with a number of minor tweaks to ease design.

Again, a massive thanks goes out to Bolle for posting the the schematics he reverse engineered, this would not have been possible without that. I had the board made at JLCPCB again and ordered some of the obsolete components from Utsource... absolutely the most painful part of the process, I think. Note: Do not order a 68040 from utsource! I got a remarked old-as-dirt 68040 that I'm still trying to return.

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A bit of mildly tetchy assembly and it's together, and with a bit of futzing with the inverted clock signal we're working with surprisingly little fuss, other than to determine my old 68040 required a cooler for operation. A very short heatsink from a slot machine addressed its cooling needs, and we're fully functional @ 45mhz with working cache too! I found some interesting performance quirks that make the practical gap between the fast 68030 and 68040 smaller than one would expect - that's a topic for another thread.

@jlindsay26 hooked me up with a NOS Asante MacCon that was back in business after replacing the crystal. This got a right angle connector to allow stacking, and I built another card support bracket out of the side of an old dell PSU.

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While hunting some wobbles and wibbles affecting the CRT, the analog board got a full resolder job, and a Seasonic PSU installed into an Astec housing along with a homemade anti-wibble device (LC filter) to reduce the HDD's interference on the picture. I came across a cheap original Connectix Quickcam along the way and it's working again after a recap job. Turns out, they are absolutely lousy with caps - which had leaked all over the place as tends to happen.

After all of that... it's done ?? Final specs....

32 MB(8x4mb) RAM
500MB Apple HDD: Dual boot Mac OS 8.1 + 6.0.8
Carrera 040 @ 45mhz w/ 128KB cache
Interware GrandVimage 24-21s - accelerated video at up to 1152*864 24bit or 1280*1024 8bit
Asante MacCon, Seasonic PSU retrofit

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Outside of 68K land, I picked up my first PPC iBook ever as a homage to the two B&W G3s I traded away earlier this year. As we can see, the cat has already claimed it. Somehow, it's even complete with a fully functional battery and charger - not bad for a bit over $100. Looking forward to playing Bugdom and Nanosaur soon!

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also cat approved. Solid.


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this is mine now, right?
 
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