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PowerMacG3/300 DT

Metalchic

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i used to have one of these once upon a time. i was thinking abotu getting another one soon. then going insane with the upgrades on it. or getting ahold of a G3 iMac and doing the same things to it. i miss my old G3 DT computer. i wanted to get back into dealing with PPC macs espeicaly since my PReforma 6214cd died when it sustained a 2inch drop wile i was reattaching the monitor cable =(

so i was wondering, what upgrades might i go with for one of these computers if i wer eto go buy one? and if you know where i can get one other than ebay becasue i have terrible luck with ebay.

also: i was wondeirng if i were to take my PCI Radeon 7000 and stick it into a PowerMac G3 DT computer if it would work? if it would take over from the onboad Rage 3D Pro AGP and output the macintosh video through the single SVGA port its got?

 

beachycove

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Certainly: the beige G3 stands at the summit of the old world Macs, and as such has a lot to be said for it tinkerer- and collector-wise. Were I you, I'd look for a Beige G3 333MHz tower. Great machine: very, very reliable hardware.

Any Beige G3 can be readily upgraded to a 400-500MHz G3 via a ZIF processor transplant from a Blue and White; there are also third party G3 and G4 ZIFs available, at up to around 1GHz, but I am not sure if that is worth the trouble and expense. A 400MHz G3 processor will not set you back by much ($20?), and the machine could then most likely be overclocked to somewhere near 500MHz. (You have to overclock, by the way, even to move from, say, 233MHz to 266MHz, but the beige G3 is the easiest of all Macs to overclock. The processor speed is controlled by jumpers on the logic board, so it's mostly a matter of moving jumpers - the instructions are all over the web.)

The other advantage of the later (333MHz+) G3 ZIFs is that that have a 1MB level 2 cache rather than the 233-300's 512 MB cache. Much better.

Also, a Radeon 7000 PCI will work just fine in a beige G3 - in fact, in most any and possibly all PCI Macs. The Radeon 7000 will actually run even under System 7.6.1 with working acceleration (requires installation of drivers, most readily available from www.system7today.com), so you can certainly run it under OS8 or 9 on the G3 (the beige G3 requires 8.1, as I recall). Or indeed, run it under OSX.

Your monitor will be perfectly happy attached to either of the two video ports under any Apple OS the G3 will run, or you could go with a dual monitor setup. The machine will, or should, automatically start up the monitor on booting, no questions asked.

With a card such as a Sonnet branded ATA-133 drive controller, you can put a massive ATA drive in the machine, which will work fine in OS 8, 9 or X.

For tinkering purposes and on the drive question, however, the G3 is an especially good machine, because it has both (albeit slow) SCSI and IDE already on the logic board. You can speed it up a bit with a SCSI or ATA drive controller and drives, but that would be maybe another $30-$40 spent if you don't already have the hardware lying around.

Older versions of Yellow Dog Linux are said to run well on the Beige G3s also, but I can't speak to that directly.

Best of luck with it. I just got a 233 MHz G3 tower, and have managed to find a 350 MHz G3 zif on EBay, shipped and all, for under $10. It's an IBM chip, which are supposed to be a bit more amenable to overclocking than the Motorolas. I'll see if I can get it up to 450MHz when it arrives. It'll almost certainly do at least 400; 450 may require a fan.

 

ChristTrekker

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Older versions of Yellow Dog Linux are said to run well on the Beige G3s also, but I can't speak to that directly.
Running YDL4 (kernel 2.6.10 IIRC) on mine. Very reliable both hw and sw, but starting to feel a bit slow now. Decent P3s are starting to become dumpster fodder, so if I can get one I might retire the G3.

 

Unknown_K

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There are 350Mhz ZIF with only 512K cache, and some 300 Mhz ones did have 1MB.

Oddly enough my IBM G3-400/1MB is the only G3 I have that does not like to overclock (In a B&W).

 

Metalchic

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well it all sounds like a good plan, no way i'm useing linux tho becasue i'm no software developeer, i couldent compile anything to save my life. so i dont have any software for linux and theres no executeable bianarys for linux like there is for macos and windows. it was like 40$ for a 1.4GHz upgrade for a G3 Zif socket upgrade. i was already looking into a new IDE controler for it. is there any kind of card better than a radeon 7000 than i can put in? like a 9700pro pci or somthing? i'm gonna have to put down alodt of money for this anyway so i might as well go with the best i can get.

 

Quadraman

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There are 350Mhz ZIF with only 512K cache, and some 300 Mhz ones did have 1MB.
Oddly enough my IBM G3-400/1MB is the only G3 I have that does not like to overclock (In a B&W).
The G3 in the B&W has only 512k cache at 300mhz. The rest should have 1meg. I'll do some more searching but I haven't heard of the 350 with less than 1meg. Both LEM and Everymac list them as having 1meg. The 233 and 266 beige machines also had 512k. My 266 has only 512k and my 300 has 1meg.

 

MacJunky

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but the beige G3 is the easiest of all Macs to overclock.
Don't forget the B&W G3 and PowerMac G4 PCI graphics, they are just as easy. IIRC there was a a 750 in some iBooks that could be overclocked by software as well.. The 750fx was it?
 

Metalchic

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the Biege PowerMacintosh G3 266 DT computer has 2MB L2 Cache
No G3 ever shipped in a Mac has 2 MB L2 cache.

Peace,

Drew
then why does the label on my now dead G3 DT computer say "266MHz G3, 2MB L2 Backside Cache, 2MB ATI Rage Pro AGP, 24x CROM Drive, 4GB Hard drive" on a little sticker just to the above right hand side of the place where hte power cord pugs in if your looking at the back of the case.

 

Quadraman

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the Biege PowerMacintosh G3 266 DT computer has 2MB L2 Cache
Sorry, but that is WRONG. No G3 machine ever had 2meg level 2 cache.

Here is the link from Everymac.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_266_dt.html

And LEM

http://lowendmac.com/ppc/beige-power-mac-g3-1997.html

And Apple

http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Macintosh_G3_Desktop.html

Now you might want to argue against LEM and Everymac, but you cannot argue against Apple's own page concerning the beige G3 having only having 512k cache.

 

MacJunky

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Mind pulling the CPU and giving us the numbers on the two black surface mount chips that are on the top of the ZIF module? (there should only be two like it on the entire thing IIRC)

*Edit

but you cannot argue against Apple's own page concerning the beige G3 having only having 512k cache.
Quadraman, don't forget that the 300Mhz and 333Mhz models had 1MB L2. I can verify this as I do have a 300Mhz CPU from a beigew/ 1MB L2 that would not overclock to 350 in a B&W G3 without interesting screen artifacts.(IIRC they were transparent lines that changed size&position as certain things moved and changed size, like icons in the Dock and certain parts of Finder windows and such.)

 
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