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Powerbooks

beachycove

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Picked up a PB 145 and 150 yesterday. The 150 looks almost new and works perfectly (although the drive is noisy - but this is an easy fix, as the 150s' are IDEs); the 145 has some sort of screen problem, with fading in and out, messing up, serious ghosting.

Does anyone know what the likely causes of the screen problems might be? I thought I'd give the cables a good going over in the first instance, but is there anything else that is obvious (and relatively easy)?

 

alk

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Ghosting and "messing up" could be the result of a bad cable or bad video controller. Fading in and out could be a failing backlight or inverter... I'd check the cables first, of course.

Peace,

Drew

 

beachycove

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The cables have been checked, and the contacts lightly cleaned, and there is happily a considerably better display now. There remains some flickering, but no really bad multi-coloured (mostly orange, and yes, on a B&W screen) effects. The ghosting is also greatly diminished.

The flickering is not down to the backlight, as the flicker (now reasonably slight) persists even when the backlighting is off and you look at the thing in bright light.

The service manual mentions a shim that needs to be installed on some models to improve the contact between cable and display hardware as a solution to video flickering. I had a close look at that connection point and applied all sorts of pressure in an experimental effort to see if any such pressures would make a difference. None did. What I did discover, however, is that if I touch the cable, even lightly, the flickering disappears. Evidently there is some electrical reason for this (grounding?), but I am not sure what it would be, being electrically challenged.

Any ideas out there? I'd like to restore this thing back to life, and ideally install that Japanese System 6 version that will run on the PB 140-145-145b series on it. Mind you, for a speedly OS, read on:

Here's another thing, thought it is strange to tell. What I have really is a PB145: 25 MHz 68030, 1-bit screen, 6 MB RAM, and so forth. I stuck a larger scsi drive in it (250MB or some such; the original was dead) and installed System 7.1 this morning, as it was handy. To my wonder and delight, the thing boots in about 10 seconds, from bong to desktop. How is that possible? My Performa 600 (cough) that was my first Mac ran 7.1 for years and took about an hour to boot (I exaggerate only slightly), and it was supposedly a 33 MHz machine. Surely the improved bus speed in the PB doesn't make it that much faster, does it?

 

IPNixon

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My PowerBook 165 (not 165c, my B&W 165) does kinda the same thing. The screen is completely dark on the bottom, and the slightest movement of the contrast switch makes the contrast either shoot waaaaaay up or shoot waaaaaay down.

It also fluctuates while powered on. *shrug*

About the ghosting, I'm pretty sure it's due to the 145's passive-matrix screen. My 165 has a passive-matrix screen, and I see a *lot* of ghosting everywhere. I eventually got used to it. :)

 

Franklinstein

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The Macintosh Performa 600 (aka Macintosh IIvi) was a bit of a crippled machine. They reused many aged components from older machines, most notably the memory and SCSI controllers. Also, if your 600 is running a Quantum ProDrive LPS, you would not be experiencing the pinnacle of speed. Those drives, though interesting bits of engineering and design, were VERY slow. I use them because, well, they're interesting bits of engineering and design, plus a Classic can't handle much in the way of fast drives anyway. Also, flaky drives, poor/improper termination, and otherwise poor connections or cables would also affect performance. I had a Performa 450 with a bad hard drive (didn't know it was bad at the time), and it took anywhere from three minutes to an hour to boot, if it finished the process. A new drive cured it.

The system bus difference shouldn't matter too much, really, but I'm afraid that I've never calculated the throughput of either machine, so I can't accurately say.

As for your screen problems, depending on your comfort level in dealing with sensitive and fragile components (now more fragile and sensitive due to advanced age), you could always reseat some cables on the LCD panel itself. The variable resistors used for the contrast/brightness controllers tend to develop carbon tracks that impair functionality, resulting in touchy or non-functional switches. They may be cleanable with some isopropyl alcohol, but it would be best to probably replace those if they're really bad. It would also be a good idea to look for oxidized solder joints on any exposed components on the display as well. Many 140s I've seen had oxidized solder joints on some resistors that caused the display to quit functioning, but reworking resulted in a nice, crisp display... er, as crisp as a 1-bit STN display can be, anyway.

 

tmtomh

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Picked up a PB 145 and 150 yesterday. The 150 looks almost new and works perfectly (although the drive is noisy - but this is an easy fix, as the 150s' are IDEs)
Be careful about swapping a new drive into the PB150. The HD driver is in ROM, and a third party drive will work only if it's unformatted. See this page for more info:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=19644

And get a utility disk image with the necessary drive formatter here:

http://charm.cs.uiuc.edu/users/olawlor/mac/mac_PB_150.html

Matt

 

beachycove

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I had another go at the cables in the PB145 tonight, paying particular attention to the display cable that connects to the inverter board, adjacent to the keyboard cables exposed when you take the top off the machine. These were simply disconnected & carefully reseated/ reconnected, but there is still no obvious improvement.

The one thing that seems to make the flickering die down is simply leaving the machine (and screen) on; after 4-5 mins or so, it's pretty good. This suggests to me that either the electrical exercise of the old components has some effect, or (more likely) that solder joints are moving with physical warming.

I am not going to worry about it too much, as I have powerbooks and such aplenty, but when I get a free evening, I'll take the whole thing apart and check the visible solder joints etc. in the key areas of concern as suggested. I like to keep the old machines running as best I can, and strangely enough, I rather like this old gal. Fabulous keyboard for its day - far better than the one on the PB150, oddly enough, though they look identical.

Thanks for all the help.

 

benjgvps

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This is good info on powerbooks. I have a 150 and soon I'm going to have a 145b and some 100s that I think just need an os. I want to know how hard it is to put a new hard drive into he powerbook 150 because I am getting to the point where I need to start deleting things from it. So can I just format it with one of the programs on the utilities disk or can I format it with transmac from my PC? I just might make a file server out of it for some other macs.

 

equill

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... So can I just format it with one of the programs on the utilities disk or can I format it with transmac from my PC? I just might make a file server out of it for some other macs.
Certainly you can erase/initialize HDDs and install HDD drivers with Apple-provided software. Whether that is HD SC setup or Drive Setup will depend upon the System with which the utility is provided. (Some Systems offer both.) If you have not used either of them before you will see that they are bare-bones: a not-especially informative GUI, and incapable of refinements such as mapping out bad blocks, 'taking over' drives set up with another utility, partitioning and other delights of HDD management. LaCie's Silverlining, FWB's HD ToolKit, InTech's HD SpeedTools and ATTO's utility (the name escapes me for the moment) all offer these facilities and more.

While you still have but a few Macs is the time to test and choose one or other of these HDD utilities, so that you can use one only on all Mac drives that come into your possession. This permits fewer conflicts of management at a later date. Setting up your HDDs with Silverlining (as I do) and popping an alias to the application (in Control Panels) into your Apple menu gives a convenient means of interrogating your HDDs at any time. Silverlining 5.8.x can be downloaded; otherwise most of the utilities above either come with some item of the makers' gear or can be purchased.

de

 

MacJunky

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Last time I tried to use known working IDE drives from newer PBs in my 150s I was getting SadMacs. I had a bootable floppy made up and they would boot from the floppy with the original HD or no HD in but as soon as I stuck any other HD in they got pissy.

And ben, installing an HD into PBs like the 140, 150, 160, etc is not at all hard so don't get stressed about it.

 

benjgvps

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Thanks guys! I just might give this a go once I get a spare mini-IDE hard drive and the necessary screwdrivers. I found this when I was crawling about the web. What do you think?

Flash Hard Drive

 
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