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New (to me) Sun LCD monitor

Von

Well-known member
So I was at the local thrift store and I saw a nice looking Sun 20.1 LCD monitor sitting there for $9.99.  I didn't know if this LCD support sync on green so I asked if they'd hold it for me until close.  I came back with with my IIsi in a duffle with the needed cable. It fired right up and looks great.  I went to check out and it was a whopping $5.50 as today was half off day.  Score!

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CC_333

Well-known member
Nice find!

What's its native resolution? I ask because the IIsi's relatively low res (looks kinda like 640x480) is remarkably crisp looking for an LCD (most LCDs I've seen tend to look jagged and/or fuzzy when not used at their native resolution, not to mention slightly stretched out (and thus distorted) due to larger displays tending to use the 5:4 ratio).

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Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
Staff member
The native resolution on this would be 1600x1200. The 5:4 thing wouldn't be at play here, which might make it better. This makes me tempted to pull out my Dell P1914S and hook it up to a machine outputting 640x480.

As to whether it has 13W3, my guess is probably not. This would have launched in the mid 2000s years after Sun had finally ditched 13w3 in favor of regular VGA (and, more realistically) DVI ports on everything they built.

This is, as far as I know, a straight badge job on an NEC-built monitor. Aside from perhaps having some stuff to support NEC's previous computer platforms it probably doesn't have anything really special in it compared to, say, a Dell UltraSharp or whatever HP called their similar series of monitors.

If 1600x1200 is just generally better for scaling then that would be nice and it makes this genre of monitors (there's lots of them that exist) recommendable for anybody who wants to use them this way. They're good displays.

However, they area also very well liked by, well, everybody else. Lots of the 20-inch 1600x1200 displays support additional refresh rate options (for the NEC computers as well as, say, Amiga and IIgs), and Dell's in particular also have component and svideo+composite inputs, making them popular among certain types of game people. And, people with midrange productivity needs also like them on alleged moral high grounds compared with 1920x1200 displays, and probably more importantly, 1920x1080 displays. (On a modern computer, a rotated 20-inch display at 1200x1600 would make a really good proportion for a vertical monitor for, say, full page word processing or just whatever. I run two 1200x1920 displays at work like that, but for tickets.)

Anyway, definitely a great find and this genre of display is worth grabbing if you can find them. I don't know if it's worth rejecting 17-19-inch 5:4 displays in favor of these on the promise it might look better, though. 

 

Von

Well-known member
OK, i got the Sun setup before the start of the Seahawks game.  Here is my report thus far...

My Vintage Macs and PCs will all share this monitor with a dual KVM setup that is:

Dr Bott KVM >> NEC multiSync adapter  >> VGA cable into a Belkin SOHO KVM >> VGA cable into the Sun LCD

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I had to look up 13W3 and the answer would be no. Looks like DVI

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I did a factory reset on the monitor settings and get this warning about 1600 x 1200 being recommended

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Within settings it allows Native which is quite small

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Another setting is Aspect

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and the last is Full

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I'll give a closer look to Aspect and Full to decide which looks better.

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Anyway, definitely a great find and this genre of display is worth grabbing if you can find them. I don't know if it's worth rejecting 17-19-inch 5:4 displays in favor of these on the promise it might look better, though. 
My 17" EnVision LCD was starting to fade around its edges so I have been shopping for a replacement. I got a 19" Samsung

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followed by a 22" ViewSonic

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I like the look of the Sun sitting next to the vintage stuff.  I'll need to do a bake off among the 3 which has the sharpest across everything that connects to it...

 
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olePigeon

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@Von That's the exact type of feature I'm looking for, that Aspect / Expansion option.  I'm going to add it to my list of LCDs to look for.  And with a DVI connector, it's certainly going to be newer than the other displays I've been looking at that were VGA only.

I really want to get one.  I wonder if that option is on their 1280x1024 model.

 

Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
Staff member
To be super clear, this display is a re-badge of another generation of the NEC LCDs discussed in this thread:





It looks like they even used the exact same wording for that feature.

I'll need to do a bake off among the 3 which has the sharpest across everything that connects to it...
It'll be super interesting to see what you think after/as a result of that shoot-out. I'll be honest, all three of those look fine to me, and on the NEC(Sun) I prefer either of the scaled-up modes to the 1:1 mode, just because it seems like a huge waste to do 1:1 for a 640x480 image. I can see doing it for an 1152x image on a 1280x1024 display, however.

Any LCD under twenty years old should be "fine" for connecting to an old machine like these. The biggest reason to replace one with another is if its CCFL backlighting wears out or we find one with a better screen technology.

 

Gorgonops

Moderator
Staff member
That is a good looking monitor for $5.50; if nothing else it's "old-fashioned" looking white case is kind of a novelty.

I'm curious if it supports 15.7khz RGB. If it did that would make it about as perfect a retro monitor as you're likely to find.

 
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