What do I need to get my LCIII online?

[JohnnyGrey]

I've had this machine for over a decade, but haven't thought about getting it online until now. It's got a 68040/66 upgrade, FPU, 10mbps ethernet and 40MB RAM. I think I'll wipe the drive and install 7.5.3. On the current install, it was asking for something called Open Transport, which I don't think I have. Does it come with 7.5.3?

Also, I want to set up my Linux server to act as an AppleTalk NAS for the LCIII. Is this feasible?

 

[luddite]

You can find Open Transport at http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html. Browser-wise I'd recommend iCab with CSS disabled -- works a treat on my 475.

Don't know Linux, but I'm pretty sure Netatalk is what you need to provide classic Appletalk networking. I'm sure someone will pipe up if I'm wrong.

 

[Charlieman]

I've had this machine for over a decade, but haven't thought about getting it online until now. It's got a 68040/66 upgrade, FPU, 10mbps ethernet and 40MB RAM.

One of those Sonnett PDS upgrade cards that combined an accelerator with an ethernet adapter? If so, very nice.

I think I'll wipe the drive and install 7.5.3. On the current install, it was asking for something called Open Transport, which I don't think I have. Does it come with 7.5.3?

Install System 7.5.3 and the 7.5.5 update. Install OpenTransport 1.1.1. Upgrade that to 1.1.2. All are available from Apple. More info from me at:

http://www.vintagemacworld.com/mactcpip.html

Also, I want to set up my Linux server to act as an AppleTalk NAS for the LCIII. Is this feasible?

Like Luddite, I'd start off by looking at Netatalk. If that doesn't deliver the goods, don't worry too much. You can't generate masses of data on a 68K Mac, so an external hard drive or CD burner is a cheap alternative.

 

[gavo]

Hi,

Just went through this myself with my 475. If you do a "custom" install of 7.5.3, you will be able to install Open Transport (1.1.1 I believe) as part of the OS install - if you do an "easy" install, you just get classic networking. Make sure you also install the Network Selector application, as from memory after the install you are still running in "Classic" networking mode and need to switch to Open Transport (via the Network Switcher application).

This should give you TCPIP and Appletalk. I personally then upgraded to system 7.5.5 and then upgraded to Open Transport to 1.1.2 - but worst case if you only have the 7.5.3 install media, you should be sweet to at least get connectivity.

As previously mentioned, Netatalk (http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/) is the way to go for your Linux box. I too installed this recently as part of my LC475 mission. I personally use OpenSUSE 10.3, and on this platform, Netatalk is available for installation via YAST (the built in management application). If your distribution doesn't include it, you should be able to download the RPM to install.

Good Luck!

Cheers,

 

[JohnnyGrey]

One of those Sonnett PDS upgrade cards that combined an accelerator with an ethernet adapter? If so, very nice.

Yessir!

Like Luddite, I'd start off by looking at Netatalk. If that doesn't deliver the goods, don't worry too much. You can't generate masses of data on a 68K Mac, so an external hard drive or CD burner is a cheap alternative.

I'm not worried about generating data, I'm worried about having the space to store all the games I downloaded. Also, I'm fairly certain the 10mbps network connection will run circles around the internal SCSI drive, not to mention seek times.

Plus, being able to access the loads of media I have on the server would be great. 22khz isn't too great for music, but I think after the upgrade, playing 24kbps talk radio mp3's wouldn't be too bad at all.

Thanks to everyone for the responses, I'm going out to get floppies right now. Hopefully everything will work ok.

 

[Temetka]

Nice little upgrade you got in that LC friend.

Let us know if you run into any networking (more) issues.

 

[JohnnyGrey]

Quick question...

How do I write Apple's disk images to floppy? I tried using the Windows rawrite.exe that came on my linux distro CD, but the mac keeps spitting disk 1 back out.

EDIT:

Oh god, it's a CD image

Ok guys, here's what I have...

A Linux machine with an internet connection and no floppy

A windows machine with a floppy and no internet connection

An LCIII with System 7.5 and PC exchange

None of you know of a collection of system 7.5.3 floppy images on the web somewhere. do you?

I suppose if I didn't already have a system on this thing, I'd be SOL.

 

[JohnnyGrey]

OK, I have all the files on the LCIII. Nothing happens when I click on the "System 7.5.3 01of19.smi" file. The doc says it should mount automatically, but the finder doesn't know how to handle it.

 

[gavo]

OK, I have all the files on the LCIII. Nothing happens when I click on the "System 7.5.3 01of19.smi" file. The doc says it should mount automatically, but the finder doesn't know how to handle it.

I believe you need Diskcopy 6 to be able to handle this. You can download it from the Apple web site.

Opps, also just had a thought - how did you get the image files to your LCIII - I wonder if they have lost some important info in translation (creator/filetype etc).

Cheers,

 

[JohnnyGrey]

I believe you need Diskcopy 6 to be able to handle this. You can download it from the Apple web site.

Opps, also just had a thought - how did you get the image files to your LCIII - I wonder if they have lost some important info in translation (creator/filetype etc).

Cheers,

I copied the files to PC floppy and read them with PC exchange. Then I expanded the .bin files with stuffit expander right on the mac.

 

[Charlieman]

I'm, still puzzled, JohnneyGrey. Did you generate the 19 floppy disks required for s System 7.5.3 installation?

 

[JohnnyGrey]

I'm, still puzzled, JohnneyGrey. Did you generate the 19 floppy disks required for s System 7.5.3 installation?

No, I got it from Apple's download site. It seems to be 19 parts of one large .smi file, probably a CD image.

 

[gavo]

I'm, still puzzled, JohnneyGrey. Did you generate the 19 floppy disks required for s System 7.5.3 installation?

No, I got it from Apple's download site. It seems to be 19 parts of one large .smi file, probably a CD image.

Hmm, just had a look at my 7.5.3 install files and I think they are the same. This is the CD / network install image. My System 7.5.3 01of19.smi file has a type of "APPL" and creator "oneb". If I double click it, it "mounts" the CD image (by checking all the other parts are there). Doesnt look like you need Diskcopy 6 for this - sorry, must of got that confused with something else I was doing

That transfer process sounds ok tho.

 

[gavo]

Ok, this may (or may not) help.

Have a look at http://www.nzstory.com/mac/default.htm This is the process I recently followed for doing something similar to you. To use it however, you have to download some software (via bit torrent) from http://www.mininova.org/tor/1280998

I'm seeding this at the moment, but I only have DSL and restricted upstream bandwidth.

If this looks useful, and someones got somewhere a bit more permanent to host it, let me know.

Cheers,

 

[Quadraman]

Every time I come back to this thread it makes me want to buy an LC. :-/