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PowerBook 180c Diagnosis & Repair Help

dcr

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My PowerBook 180c is exhibiting symptoms I've not been able to determine the cause of.  It powers up and makes the startup chime.  The screen lights up like normal, but there is no Happy Mac icon nor is there a question mark.  Instead, it just beeps once every few seconds.  No four-tone or eight-tone error chord sequence.  It's just a single beep.  Any ideas as to the cause?

I have two potential donor machines if needed.  The first potential donor powers up, makes the startup chime and sounds like it is booting, except the screen has static-y, wavy horizontal lines.  The service guide I have suggests replacing the display, converter board, inverter board, converter-to-inverter cable, interconnect board, daughterboard or motherboard which doesn't exactly help narrow things down.  The second potential donor is deader than a doornail.  The DC/DC converter area smells (from the outside) like something electrical burned.  There was no smoke when I initially tried to power it up.  Upon disassembly, I don't see anything that looks burned or damaged so I don't know if this was previously repaired and the odor remains or what.  (I bought this one used.)  The interconnect cable was disconnected.  I was hoping that was the problem, but after connecting it and putting it back together, it's still dead.  No sign of life whatsoever.

My primary goal is getting my original PowerBook working, though it would be nice to get two working PowerBooks out of this trio.  The original is the most important to me though, since it is the first computer I ever bought, so it'd be kind of nice to have it working again.  It actually worked up until four years ago, when it stopped working in the middle of retrieving some old files.  I initially thought the internal hard drive died, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Next, I've read here that the caps for the LCD screen need to be replaced.  Is there a parts listing for that anywhere, preferably with purchase links?  I know enough to solder electronics together when I have the parts in hand along with instructions but trying to pick out the right capacitors and other components is generally the most challenging part.

Thanks!

 

techknight

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staticy display is common with bad caps. 

as far as the machine that doesnt do anything but gray screen, unhook the hard drive and try again. it might be bad. If that doesnt work, then transplant the top from the "good" unit over to the one that has the scratchies. 

That is assuming all your "donors" are 180c units. you failed to mention otherwise. 

 
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dcr

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staticy display is common with bad caps. 


Thanks!

as far as the machine that doesnt do anything but gray screen, unhook the hard drive and try again. it might be bad. If that doesnt work, then transplant the top from the "good" unit over to the one that has the scratchies. 


If it was the hard drive, wouldn't I get a "?" instead of nothing?  Also, on one attempt, I did have an external bootable drive connected and it didn't attempt to jump over to boot from it.

But if it is the hard drive, that's an easy fix.  Downside is that I was hoping to have another look at the internal hard drive to ensure I had all the files from it that I needed.  I'm pretty sure I do, but wouldn't have hurt to have another look.

I may wait until I get a PowerBook SCSI2SD card.  That way, if it's the hard drive, I can install that while the machine is open so as to minimize wear and tear on the plastics.

That is assuming all your "donors" are 180c units. you failed to mention otherwise. 
Yes, they are.  I obtained them several weeks ago when I first read of screen issues with the PowerBook 180c.  I wanted to make sure I had extra screens in case mine had gone south.  One of the newer-to-me ones is still in fairly good cosmetic shape except for a broken foot.  And just my luck that the other newer-to-me machine has that same foot broken.

 

techknight

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as far as getting a ? that depends. if the HDD keeps the bus held up it never will. its the same as having the BUSY signal pinned. Easy way to test as I said, is unhook the drive just to make sure to rule that out as a potential cause. 

Also dont let the caps get too bad, they are known for leaking and leaching into the ribbon laminations that go to the LCD and when that happens, its non repairable. I posted a thread on this as it happened to me. 

 

dcr

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Also dont let the caps get too bad, they are known for leaking and leaching into the ribbon laminations that go to the LCD and when that happens, its non repairable. I posted a thread on this as it happened to me. 


Yes, that's the thread that prompted me to purchase the donor units.  I remain uncertain what capacitors to order nor can I currently afford to send the boards out to those who offer replacement service, so that's where I'm stuck.

 
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