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PowerBook 150 PRAM Battery?

benjgvps

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I am looking into replacing the PRAM battery in my PowerBook 150, I have not idea how to attach a new batter as it appears to be soldered down. I do not have the Laptop open at the moment but I do have a spare board from a parted out PowerBook 150 that has the battery on it. I will copy the battery's specs:

Varta

2.4V 60mAh

2/V60H Ni-MH

I cannot find anything on replacing this battery.

 

equill

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68K PowerBooks (with a few notable exceptions) use secondary backup batteries, ie they are rechargeable, which is why they are soldered-in, usually on the interconnect board. Why do you believe that you need to replace yours? They are extremely rugged, even after years of neglect. Does the backup battery fail to charge after the system battery has reached full terminal voltage? What shows you that it has not charged?

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benjgvps

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I cannot start up the PowerBook unless it is plugged in. I also cannot keep the time and date, plus a few other settings. l have a new system battery that I got last summer which works well so I know it can't be the problem. I also had the thing plugged in for many days at a time, unused. The computer was also stored for quite a few years before I got it from my friend.

 

equill

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It sounds as if the prosecution has a case, but not a formidable case. If the system battery is good, the PB should start up on battery alone. The PB should be capable of startup using the AC adapter alone. Do you know, by measurement, that your new battery is charging? The backup will not charge before the system battery reaches full terminal voltage, and takes anything up to another 24hr when it has been long out-of-use. What terminal voltage does the backup have?

During the currency of the 150 it is probable that a failure of the backup battery would have been fixed by total replacement of the interconnect board. That is certainly true of other members of the PB 1xx family, the PB 100 proper excepted. You are fortunate to have such a replacement, but you will be wise to measure the terminal voltages of the in-circuit and replacement batteries before you make the effort to replace the interconnect board. Apple's TI doc. for the 150 does indeed specifiy '60 mAh rechargeable nickel-metal-hydride battery' for the backup battery.

One important caveat is that the 150 uses a low-power AC adapter (17W). Be sure that you do not already have MLB damage from a higher-powered adapter.

None out of my Apple Service Sources vol. I-III mentions the 150 directly, probably because it was too new (1994), but it is reputedly based on the Duo 230 architecture. However, the physical layout is still that of a PB 1xx series. They are not difficult to work with, the principal awkwardness being to disconnect the ribbon (video) cable that joins top and bottom case halves as you separate them.

When you have the batteries to your satisfaction, remember to reset the power management. It is worthwhile to see whether this will work before you begin the exercise above.

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benjgvps

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I don't know by measurement that the new battery is charging, though I'm pretty sure it is. I'm not sure if the spare interconnect board has the same problem or not. My adapter model is ADP-17AB REV:A. Output power is 7.5V at 2.0A. Should try resetting the power manager before I do any of that?

 

equill

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Yep. Also see whether you can borrow, beg or steal a multimeter for a few days. Remember the old saw: Yer don't know nuttin' about nuttin' unless yer c'n put numbers on it is never so true as in this kind of exercise.

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equill

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Anything that you can do to inform yourself about your little furless Macintosh friends and their behaviour, from the outside in, has to be A Good Thing. Starting from whatever gen you can get from manufacturers, commentators, rare potatoes and fellow-enlisted here, you can generate at least a glimmering of the ineffable from what you measure as well as what you see. Eight 1.2-V cells in series (or series-parallel) should charge to 9.6V nominal. Add in the normal fudge-factor for Ni-Cd batteries and the best that you are likely to measure is about 10.8V when new and fully-charged. This value and a multimeter then provide you with a much more immediate assessment of a battery's condition than does a dampened finger held aloft.

Although they exhibit 'memory' effects, which might better be described as 'forgetfulness' effects, Ni-Cds make good batteries. As secondary (rechargeable) batteries they need care and feeding, but they are not anything like as fragile as Li-ion batteries.

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benjgvps

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I do have a Ni-MH battery so memory is not an issue, there might be a multimeter in my garage so I will do this sometime this weekend. I will also be fixing up my PowerBook 145B because it does have a good PRAM battery. I just want to know if I had to replace the PRAM battery, could I do a quick and dirty way by finding a replacement battery with the same voltage, make a mini holder for it and then hook it up to the solder points with wire?

 
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