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Power Macintosh 7600 - any thoughts?

LC_575

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I'm planning on trading in my 6300CD for something more powerful for desktop productivity work at home. ATM, my only productivity Mac is my Powerbook, but it would be more sensible to dock it to a more powerful Mac and continue work on my larger LCD monitor. That, and I need a Mac that can fit under my bed. My LC and iMac get stowed in the basement and I'm only down there when tinkering or soldering. Hence, the Powerbook gets all of the attention.

So, that said, is there anything I should know? Any major cons or damning features? And, while I'm here, does anyone have one they'd like to sell?

 

classic

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Yes, I have a 7600 and its a beauty.

Quite expandable for a machine 15 years old.

Upgraded the processor to a Sonnet G3/400mhz

Memory upgraded to a staggering 1GB.

VRAM has been maxed to 4MB

It runs Mac OS 9.1

About the only thing I have not done yet is upgrade the HD which remains at 1GB

 

ClassicHasClass

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I agree with classic -- the Outriggers are outstanding Macs. Dirt cheap, easy to work on and extremely expandable.

I use a 7300 as a NetBSD file server with a Sonnet Tempo Trio attached to a 40GB PATA drive, a G3/500 and 1GB of RAM; this was my primary Mac for many years until I got my MDD.

I use another 7300 for classic games. This one also has a G3/500 and lots of RAM, but also two 18.5GB SCSI drives, a 24X CD-ROM, an OrangePC 620 for Windows 95/98 games (itself highly upgradeable; I installed an AMD K6-2 400MHz CPU and 128MB of RAM) and an ATI Rage Orion (16MB Rage 128).

Bottom line, you can't go wrong with a 7300, 7500 or 7600. Even 7200s aren't bad, other than their CPU limitations.

 

BarnacleGrim

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I have one that I've been meaning to upgrade, to use with my SCSI slide scanner and as a general OS 9 machine. Very easy to work on.

A Sonnet upgrade is definitely on the wish list. A powerful G3 or G4 with trouble free onboard SCSI is golden, and as far as I understand it, a Beige G3 isn't that much better than an upgraded 7600.

 

beachycove

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...as far as I understand it, a Beige G3 isn't that much better than an upgraded 7600.
Well, the G3 is faster than the 604e, the G3's system bus is faster (66MHz with overclocking possible in a G3 versus 50MHz max in a 7600), the RAM is faster, plus the PCI slots are faster. But fast is not the same as up to expectation for all needs.

On the other side of the coin, my personal favourite beige PCI Mac is still the 8600, especially in its 604ev/300MHz variant.... It will take five (count 'em) hard drives in addition to the CD and floppy, and the power supply is much higher-end than the ones in the 7xxx or G3 series (the latter won't even power-off a monitor when you shut it down!). RAM is cheap and plentiful for it, and you get fully five (count 'em) more RAM slots than you get in a G3. There are also, as I have said elsewhere, good things to be said in favour of the 604e, especially with a (rare) 1MB L2 cache chip installed.

 

Solvalou

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I got one of these too, quite heavily upgraded with 2 Hard drives (I forget the size), XLR8 400Mhz G3 card, ATi Rage, SCSI I card, 2 Port USB card and with OS9.2.

Really powerful, can run Quake 3 Arena quite nicely though older Quakes are a breeze. Even Unreal Tornament runs ok if you turn the levels down!

 

protocol7

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I really like my 7500. It wasn't a machine I'd really planned on getting, but one came up with a nice 21" monitor and the price was right so I went with it. I haven't upgraded anything on it yet, but it's on the cards.

 

ClassicHasClass

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Q3 Arena does run surprisingly well, except for the cinematics which chug. I turned those off. Shogo MAD (yes, there is a Mac port) has the same problem, but also runs great otherwise. Both games' cinematics play correctly on my MDD in 9.2, so it's clearly system-related. I blame the codec, because the cinematics for, say, System Shock Mac are QT-based, and of course play fine.

 

Unknown_K

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My favorite PCI mac is the 9600, 8600 a close second (same case). It took me close to ten years to snag a 9500 and 9600 (6 slot macs) and oddly enough I got them both super cheap at a local recycler otherwise I would still be looking. No idea how rare they are, but I never seen any around here and people tended to keep them.

I have a couple 7500's both with G3's and they are ok. My first frankenmac was a stock 8500 I got a ten years ago that I pumped up the RAM to 256MB added a new G4-400/1MB got an IDE card and an Ultimate Rez video card and a USB card. Still have that machine (Rage 128 video card now and 700MB+ of RAM but the rest is intact), but it was retired as my main utility mac when I got a B&W G3 some years ago which was retired for a Quicksilver last year.

I also liked the Biege G3 tower in my lab which I still use when browsing on the web for info. The Beige 7500 to Beige G3 were some nicely built and very upgradable machines, every collection should have a few for OS 7/8 use.

 

trag

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I think the Beige G3 desktop is your best choice for the requirements you mentioned. It's RAM is limited to 768MB instead of 1024MB like most of the other choices, but it really is a faster machine. It's architecture is just more efficient and faster than the older x500/x600 machines. The Beige also won't run any OS earlier than 8.0. so if you need 7.6.1 or earlier, this isn't your machine. The 1GHz G3 ZIF is still available from OWC for a little over $100 the last time I checked.

If you don't need a machine that will run OSX, you should consider quite a few of the clones as well. Sticking to desktop machines, since you mentioned scooting it under the bed, and eliminating the machines with RAM limitations under 200MB, that would include the Umax J700 (four PCI slots, easily upgradable to six and 1040 (or 1056?) MB RAM capacity), Power Computing PowerCenter and PowerCenter Pro. However, the PowerTower Pro is a purely ATX based form factor, so you could get a PowerTower Pro and put it in a desktop style ATX case. Actually, the same is true of the J700's fraternal twin, the S900.

Bah, this is getting messy. If built-in video isn't mentioned there is none.

1) Desktop cased machines with upgradable CPUs:

A) which will run OSX (with xpostfacto):

1. Apple:

PM7500, PM7600, PM7300: 1024MB RAM, 3 PCI slots, built-in video (may not work on OSX)

2. Umax:

J700: 1040 (or 1056) MB RAM, 4 PCI slots, easy soldering to add two more PCI slots

S900: As above, but comes standard with 6 PCI slots. In a tower case, but easy to move to an ATX desktop. Actually, the stock case is convertible to desktop mode, but requires a new bezel which probably isn't available any more.

3. Power Computing:

Power Tower Pro: 1024MB RAM, 6 PCI slots, comes in a tower case but easy to move to desktop ATX case.

PowerWave: 1024MB RAM, 3 PCI slots, comes in a tower case and is challenging to move to ATX desktop case because PCI slots are horizontal on riser card.

B) which probably won't run OSX (unless xpostfacto added support since I last checked.)

1. Power Computing

PowerCurve: 512MB RAM, 3 PCI slots, built-in video

PowerCenter: As above

PowerCenterPro: As above but available in both tower and desktop cases.

2. A number of other clones, but they all have RAM limitations below 200MB.

2) Without upgradable CPU and probably won't run OSX

A) Apple

PM7200: 512MB RAM (really 1024MB, but no-one ever made 256MB, 5V, FPM, buffered DIMMs), 3 PCI slots, built-in video. Available in 75, 90 and 120 MHz models.

BTW, the 7500 and 7600 use slightly different power supply connectors, IIRC. So don't assume you can mix and match logic boards with power supplies, if you end up building from parts. I think the 7300 uses the same power supply connector as the 7600. The 7300 lacks video capture (no big loss in my opinion) and has the updated ROM which is found in the non-Kansas, original 8600 and 9600. And no, I've never been able to figure out what difference it makes. But if you can't figure it out any other way, you can look at the four ROM chips (back of logic board, four chips ~.5" X 1.1") and the original x500, 7600 ROM is labeled 341S0168 through 341S0171, whereas the 7300, 8600, 9600 ROM is labeled 341S0280 through 341S0283. The Kansas, 8600/9600 Enhanced ROM is labeled 341S0380 through 341S0383.

And I may have misremembered and all the 341s above maybe are really 343s....

Most of the clones use a bog standard ATX power supply, but the J700 and S900 don't. It's ATX, but the connectors are like the old AT power supply connectors with one 3 pin connector like fans use. Instructions for converting an ATX power supply for use on the Umax machines here: http://www.kennedybrandt.com/supermac_insider/support/psconversion.html but the bit about the BMI connector working with the mini-fit Jr. is wrong. I need to correct that some day.

 

trag

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One more thought...

I reread your original post and you never mentioned whether you need OSX and/or classic support. If you're willing to go to OSX and just run pre-X in Classic Mode, consider a Mac Mini. It will not only fit under a bed, it will fit in a lunch box. The G4 Mac mini ranges in speed from 1.25GHz to 1.5GHz and will take 1GB of RAM. It won't boot with OS 9.x though. But talk about compact....

There's no expansion, so if you need a special card or something, it's not a good choice, but if you just want a usable compact desktop computer with excellent performance, it is a great choice.

 
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