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Can Anyone Provide Any Information On This "Prototype" Power Macintosh 6360?

jajan547

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I have an external IDE drive enclosure if you'd like me to image it, or a G3 available. But probably try the target disk mode suggestion first.

Ive never even came across anything about a system 7.7! Got to save that drive! That would have to mean a 7.7 installer is floating around too...
thatd be lovely PM me and we can work something out.
 

MrFahrenheit

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Your drive has 800MB available. Are the contents greater than 800MB? If not, you could pop DiskCopy 6.3 onto it, create a blank image just larger than the size of the files, and just drag the entire disk icon onto the mounted image. From there, use something like FTP to get it off the drive. Won't be an 'image' of the drive, but it would get the files off...

If you're going to be messing around with a lot of vintage hardware like this, I recommend some sort of vintage removable drive, which can also connect to a bridge machine. It makes imaging devices a lot more convenient. It's too bad you are so very far away from me, or I'd just stop by with a Jaz drive and image it for you.
 

jajan547

Well-known member
Your drive has 800MB available. Are the contents greater than 800MB? If not, you could pop DiskCopy 6.3 onto it, create a blank image just larger than the size of the files, and just drag the entire disk icon onto the mounted image. From there, use something like FTP to get it off the drive. Won't be an 'image' of the drive, but it would get the files off...

If you're going to be messing around with a lot of vintage hardware like this, I recommend some sort of vintage removable drive, which can also connect to a bridge machine. It makes imaging devices a lot more convenient. It's too bad you are so very far away from me, or I'd just stop by with a Jaz drive and image it for you.
I’m sending it to @Johnnya101 i need to invest in setting up the resources to do this myself.
 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
Better to have someone ship a SCSI Zip100 to you for drag-n-drop via Iomega Guest than trust the drive itself to the mails?

edit: PM your location in NC, I'm in the Triangle!
 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
No problem, just thought it better to meet halfway to drag-n-drop onto one of my PowerBooks in SCSI Disk Mode. Tha't the most simple way of doing it nice and clean and then right onto a solid state drive afterward. I've got an extra adapter you can boot your ProtoMac from.
 

jajan547

Well-known member
No problem, just thought it better to meet halfway to drag-n-drop onto one of my PBs in SCSI Disk Mode.
I agree but already printed out the postal information, either way the contents will soon hopefully be shared with everyone. I believe he made a post about it in software.
 

uliwitness

Active member
Here's a sneak peak of some of the stuff looks like in the files it was Code name SPUD. Where does everyone want me to poke around at first?
Can you check whether that Platinum UI is its native UI? I've seen some System 7 Macs in computer museums that were around that numeric range and people thought it was a System 8 prototype, and when I browsed around a bit it turned out someone had just installed Aaron to override the icons and window borders. Was very disappointed when the people from the museum didn't even seem to care.
 

jajan547

Well-known member
Can you check whether that Platinum UI is its native UI? I've seen some System 7 Macs in computer museums that were around that numeric range and people thought it was a System 8 prototype, and when I browsed around a bit it turned out someone had just installed Aaron to override the icons and window borders. Was very disappointed when the people from the museum didn't even seem to care.
Definitely from Apple I sent the drive to @Johnnya101 he should get it Tuesday or Wednesday, he’s gonna see if he can copy all the contents from it but yes it appears to be close to system 8. Apparently the name of the computer is Performa Power Macintosh? So I have no clue what it really is because Apple could’ve slapped that barcode in the case any time so it’s weird and I haven’t poked around too, too much on it but there’s definitely some very interesting and secret informing there.
 

uliwitness

Active member
Definitely from Apple I sent the drive to @Johnnya101 he should get it Tuesday or Wednesday, he’s gonna see if he can copy all the contents from it but yes it appears to be close to system 8. Apparently the name of the computer is Performa Power Macintosh? So I have no clue what it really is because Apple could’ve slapped that barcode in the case any time so it’s weird and I haven’t poked around too, too much on it but there’s definitely some very interesting and secret informing there.
Nobody said Apple folks didn't like to install appearance modification INITs occasionally :D
 

Fizzbinn

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Wonder what the gestalt machine ID number is? Something like Tattletech should be able tell you.
Not sure if there is a better list, but found this:

If its a prototype 6360 or 6400 I think it would be 58:

gestaltPerforma6400 = 58,
gestaltPerforma6360 = gestaltPerforma6400,
 

jajan547

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Wonder what the gestalt machine ID number is? Something like Tattletech should be able tell you.
Not sure if there is a better list, but found this:

If its a prototype 6360 or 6400 I think it would be 58:

gestaltPerforma6400 = 58,
gestaltPerforma6360 = gestaltPerforma6400,
It’s 58 I know I looked at system overview and that’s one of the things I remember
 

Fizzbinn

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It’s 58 I know I looked at system overview and that’s one of the things I remember

That seems pretty definitive that is a prototype "Alchemy" board for a 6360 or 6400.


The fact its in a desktop case makes me think its more likely a prototype 6360, but I guess Apple could have been testing the faster 6400 series boards in the desktop case, maybe even considered shipping faster desktop case versions

6360/160: desktop, 603e at 160Mhz
6400/180: tower, 603e at 180Mhz
6400/180: tower, 603e at 200Mhz

Not sure if its above but what was the reported CPU speed?
 

jajan547

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That seems pretty definitive that is a prototype "Alchemy" board for a 6360 or 6400.


The fact its in a desktop case makes me think its more likely a prototype 6360, but I guess Apple could have been testing the faster 6400 series boards in the desktop case, maybe even considered shipping faster desktop case versions

6360/160: desktop, 603e at 160Mhz
6400/180: tower, 603e at 180Mhz
6400/180: tower, 603e at 200Mhz

Not sure if its above but what was the reported CPU speed?
Motorola engineering sample 603P @240MHz
 

Fizzbinn

Well-known member
Printed on the chip right? But was it running at that speed as reported via through the OS (System Profiler, etc)? The actual speed the CPU runs at is controlled by the logic board.
 
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