Big Quadra 700 Problem

[MacTCP]

I did a clean reinstall of 8 when I installed it. (which the monitors & sound control panel was installed with so it should work) Control Strip wasn't installed by default. I copied all control strip related files over from my 4400 running the exact same system to the Q700. I opened it after putting the files in their places and restarted. When I opened it it said, "This isn't compatible with your macintosh" or something like that. I don't see how the control strip should have any hardware requirements. I also tried resetting the PRAM which didn't work.

System 7.5 is installing right now. I'll see if I can get color with that. ;D

 

[LCGuy]

When the control strip was first released with 7.5, although it would work with any Mac if you installed it, it was intended as a PowerBook only feature, and was only installed automatically if you were on a PowerBook. Maybe the 4400 had a PowerPC only version of it or something...who knows. Apple did weird things sometimes.

 

[MacTCP]

Apple did weird things sometimes.

Especially with the 4400. I think it is very fast, but the case is so hard to get back together. You get one side on and the other pops off.

 

[MacTCP]

7.5 is installed…with color! I backed up the System folder and unblessed it. Now I'm going to try and give 8.1 one more chance. If I am not satisfied with 8.1, then I'll try 7.6. If 7.6 starts messing up, I'll run 7.5.

 

[MacTCP]

8.1 is getting messed up way too easily. I'm going to try 7.6.

 

[MacTCP]

7.6 is just as bad as 8. I'm sticking with the stabe 7.5. I guess when the 7.5 installer said it was making my macintosh happy, it really was!

 

[MacTCP]

My Quadra 700 came with a nubus etherent card inside of it. I don't know how to set it up. It has coax ethernet jack and a wide phone jack ethernet port. I connected a cat5e patch cable from the wide phone jack to the ethernet hub of my network. I turned on appletalk with the "ethernet slot 1" and turned on file sharing. The light for the jack my Q700 is connected to on the hub didn't light up to show it was working like my other macs. I'm not sure how to make this work. However, the light on the nubus card keeps blinking. How can I get this to work?

 

[Quadraman]

You probably have to play with the TCP/IP control panel. Set it to use DHCP and it should work, or at least get you closer to working. I'll check what mine is set at and post back.

 

[MacTCP]

Setting to DHCP doesn't help. Does having dual interfaces make a difference? If I need a special driver or something could someone give it to me?

 

[Quadraman]

It might make a difference. I use the AAUI port on mine for ethernet, but I do have a Nubus ethernet card around here someplace I could try but it might be a while as I have other projects on my workbench at the moment.

 

[MacTCP]

Whenever I try to start my Q700 with Open Transport enabled, I have to force quit the finder and then the file sharing extension before it will get to the desktop. I upgraded to the latest OT compatible, and and it still doesn't fix it. AppleTalk says to check my cable connections when I try to use ethernet slot 1. What's going on here?! Open Transport isn't supposed to do that! >

 

[MacTCP]

(1) The having-to-force-quit only happens when Open Transport is loaded at startup.

(2) When the computer is turned on and their is an ethernet cable connected to the card, the light on the card blinks and doesn't stop.

(3) The having-to-force-quit thing still happens with the ethernet card out so it isn't the card's fault.

(4) I found that my card was an Asante card so I installed Asante's drivers. It didn't make any difference.

 

[MacTCP]

Has anyone else had this happen?

 

[equill]

My Quadra 700 came with a nubus etherent card inside of it. ... However, the light on the nubus card keeps blinking. How can I get this to work?

If your NIC in the Quadra is 10Base-T (inevitably so if it has a Thin-net coax. connector as well as an RJ-45) and the hub (or the switch) is 10/100Base-T, the blinking LI LED shows that autonegotiation between NIC and hub/switch is failing because the NIC knows nothing about such new-fangled nonsense. (Is it a hub or a switch? There is a difference.) And the hub/switch doesn't believe that anyone could possibly be so higgerant about autonegotiation and keeps trying ...

Solution: interpose a 10Base-T hub with uplink port between the NIC and the 10/100Base-T hub/switch.

What System is on the Quadra? OT is not compatible with Systems older than 7.5.3. For such older Systems you must select Classic Networking (AppleTalk) using Network Software Selector. However, Asanté's EtherTalk Installer 5.6.1 should have made the right choice of software for your NIC based on card and System, but it would not have uninstalled any already-installed OT. If you don't need OT, put the components into a single folder and store them in say, Utilities, in case you need them for a later upgrade of System.

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[MacTCP]

I'm running 7.5.5. I have a 10/100 Switch that I'm using. I just remembered I have a spare 10 hub so I can use your solution with uplink!

 

[MacTCP]

The blinking stopped, but the having to force quit the finder and file sharing extension at start up hasn't. Here's a picture of what happens when I try to start AppleTalk:

http://i14.tinypic.com/62fvltt.jpg

 

[MacTCP]

When Open Transport is loaded, the Monitors contol panel causes the computer to lock up! Nothing besides Monitors! That must be why I was stuck in B&W in Mac OS 8.

This is what OT does:

Makes me force quit the Finder and File Sharing Extension at startup. (which it did in Mac OS 8 as well!)

Makes the computer freeze when opening the Monitors or Monitors & Sound Control Panel. (which it did in Mac OS 8 as well!)

I'm confused. :?:

 

[MacTCP]

From what I've seen, OT causes trouble and never good (on my Q700 at least). I don't know why, but it looks unfixable to me.

I guess I'll use classic networking. I can't go higher than 7.5.5 then, but I don't care. From what I've seen, I'll need two control panels. The MacTCP control panel and the Network control panel. I think I know where to get those.

 

[equill]

Your problem with Monitors CP may be fixed by trashing its Preferences, and then restarting. You don't need Monitors and Sound CP, and even loading it may be causing some of your problems. Shift it into Apple Extras against a future need. If you have downgraded from 8.1, was it by erase-and-install or by clean install? Your unnecessary M&C CP may reflect the presence of other undesirable CPs and extensions also.

If you are using 7.5.5, you will be better off with OT 1.1.2, which is downloadable from Apple. Be sure to install the Asanté stuff before OT 1.1.2 so that you do not get any older software than 1.1.2 re-installed.

OK. So you can also use TCP/IP. Have you configured that? You have mentioned DHCP in one of your later posts, so that is probable. The Quadra 700 has on-board ethernet via an AAUI port. If you have an AAUI/RJ-45 adapter (often miscalled an 'ethernet transceiver'), use that instead of the NIC. If that works, the NIC is, despite the link light, as kablooie as it is seeming to be. You may, or you may not, still need the 10Base-T hub between the 700 and your switch when you use the on-board ethernet.

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[MacTCP]

When I had 8 installed the Monitors&Sound didn't work.

So I deleted the System Folder and reinstalled 7.5

7.5's Monitor control panel worked fine…

Until I got 7.5.3 where it got messed up because of…

Open Transport! Open Transport messes up everything.

I had OP 1.1.2 when this all started.

I had configured TCP/IP.

Since Open Transport is the root of all my problems…

I'm going to use MacTCP instead.

EDIT 1: I experiecnced these bad problems with the card out as well, so the card isn't what's causing this. Open Transport is the root of these problems.

EDIT 2: The same error happens with onboard ethernet. This conforms my theory in EDIT 1.