Big Quadra 700 Problem

[Quadraman]

I know, but software is different to data.

Well, keeping the software infringes copyright law, but reading (probably not keeping/copying) the documents is probably legal

I don't see the problem in keeping software that comes installed on a hard drive IF it is something that is no longer readily available for purchase. You mean to say that if I am searching for a rare piece of software for years and buy a computer that happens to have it installed on it's hard drive I'm expected to erase it?? I don't think so. If the copyright holder wants to re-release it for sale, then fine, I'll do my best to come up with the money to buy it, but if they insist on keeping it off the market for whatever reason, I'm keeping it. Since they aren't selling it anyway, it does not hurt them in the least if I continue to use it because it is not a lost sale. They can argue that it prevents me from buying the latest version, but how can I buy the latest version when it runs on OS X and the computer I am running the older version on can't run OS X? How can they claim damages from the use of a piece of software that isn't even being sold?? One person merely using a piece of obscure software that is no longer marketed should not constitute an offense so long as that person is merely using it and not copying and distributing it to everyone who asks for it.

 

[The Macster]

I'm not saying I wouldn't keep software found on an old machine (I never have, but only because none of my machines have ever come with anything interesting on them!), but just that technically it does infringe copyright law to use commercial software that you don't own a licence for. You're right, it probably should be legal to do so, as it doesn't hurt the company that made that software as they're not offering it for sale and you're not in the market for the newest version, but that doesn't mean it is legal under the laws we have. Not that they would be likely to try to sue you or anything though, even if there was a way they could find out that you were using their software without a licence. To be honest, "pirating" old "abandoned" software is really the only way to get very old machine working and doing interesting things.

 

[LCGuy]

Yeah...the only exception is unless you're very lucky and you come accross some vintage boxed software, or if you're like me and you've been using the machines since they were new and therefore have a large amount of software available for use.

 

[MacTCP]

I kept the documents and the software!

 

[MacTCP]

The dongle arrived and it works great!

 

[MacTCP]

Whenever I want to get files off of my Q700, I have to boot my iBook into OS 9. That works fine. In OS X, it lets me select my Quadra 700 and even select for Macintosh HD to mount, but it never does. My iBook takes about 5 min. to start up so this is inconvenient to have to start up in OS 9 just for this. I feel that Mac OS X is incompatible with classic networking. Am I right? If so, is there some third party software that will let me connect to my Q700 even though it uses classic networking? I think I may of heard of one, but I can't think of the name. :?:

 

[Quadraman]

Whenever I want to get files off of my Q700, I have to boot my iBook into OS 9. That works fine. In OS X, it lets me select my Quadra 700 and even select for Macintosh HD to mount, but it never does. My iBook takes about 5 min. to start up so this is inconvenient to have to start up in OS 9 just for this. I feel that Mac OS X is incompatible with classic networking. Am I right? If so, is there some third party software that will let me connect to my Q700 even though it uses classic networking? I think I may of heard of one, but I can't think of the name. :?:

Can you boot OS X into classic and network with the Quadra?

 

[MacTCP]

Here is what happens in all possibilities. This isn't a serious problem since I can always boot into OS 9 if I have to, but if anyone happens to know a solution, please tell me:

When started up in pure OS 9 on the iBook, things go well connecting to the Q700.

When using the OS 9 classic environment on the iBook, things don't go well connecting to the Q700.

When started up in OS X Jaguar on the iBook, things don't go well connecting to the Q700.

I'm sure that OS X can't connect to macs that use classic networking because

OS X can connect to my other two macs, both with Open Transport rather than Classic Networking. I think there may be a piece of software that bypasses this. If anyone knows of one, please tell me.

 

[Quadraman]

Here is what happens in all possibilities. This isn't a serious problem since I can always boot into OS 9 if I have to, but if anyone happens to know a solution, please tell me:
When started up in pure OS 9 on the iBook, things go well connecting to the Q700.

When using the OS 9 classic environment on the iBook, things don't go well connecting to the Q700.

When started up in OS X Jaguar on the iBook, things don't go well connecting to the Q700.

I'm sure that OS X can't connect to macs that use classic networking because

OS X can connect to my other two macs, both with Open Transport rather than Classic Networking. I think there may be a piece of software that bypasses this. If anyone knows of one, please tell me.

I don't know if they can connect. I remember when I was having problems with the 601 card in my 700 that when it wasn't working, Open Transport wouldn't load up at all. I could see the icon on screen when it tried to boot up but there would be a red X through it. When the 601 was working, though, it would load and run normally. I think maybe OT might not work on an 040.

Edit

According to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Transport

Open Transport was released at the same time as the 9500, so it probably wouldn't work on a 68k machine, also Open Transport was even dropped when OS X was released, so you'd be stuck using MacTCP on the 040 machine, which probably can't communicate with what OS X uses.

This is the reason why I collect 601 upgrade boards. It makes using the earlier machines so much easier when they are able to use newer technologies.

 

[LCGuy]

I can confirm that Open Transpor definately will run on 68ks. I've used it in System 7.1 and 7.5 on my Classic II, LCII and LCIII, and in System 7.6 and OS 8.1 on my LC475, LC630 and Quadra 700. Actually, if you're running System 7.6 or later, you have no choice but to use Open Transport, Classic Networking won't run on 7.6 or later. But i can confirm OT definately will work on 68030's and 68040's.

 

[equill]

The subject of filesharing between OS X Macs and OS 9-and-under Macs was explored in this thread.

AppleTalk is not supported in Tiger, but connection from client older Mac to server Tiger Mac is possible over TCP/IP. If older Macs don't 'do' TCP/IP, do a double-hop from oldie to a Mac with System 7.5.5-9.22, and thence to Tiger. The AppleTalk difficulty does not exist in Panther and below. Most failures to share can be overcome by making the newer Mac the server; by sharing whole volumes rather than folders; by leaving the LAN permanently connected, or at least by making all connections before startup; by using static (manual) IP addressing in the LAN, and by offering a blood sacrifice to the deity of your choice at the outset.

It is also a great convenience to use your OS X 'short name' as the name of the Owner on all Macs in your private network, and the same password, too.

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[MacTCP]

I was browsing System 6 Heaven and I read that the File Sharing Extension from System 7.5.3 is required for OS X to be compatible with it. I took the 7.5.3 extension and dropped it in the 7.5.0 system folder and OS X could connect to the Q700! ;D

 

[risc_management]

According to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Transport

Open Transport was released at the same time as the 9500, so it probably wouldn't work on a 68k machine, also Open Transport was even dropped when OS X was released, so you'd be stuck using MacTCP on the 040 machine, which probably can't communicate with what OS X uses.

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That's incorrect. I am not sure how any "vintage mac enthusiast" could not know that, but I digress.

Anyway, it's good to hear the AAUI converter/adapter/"transceiver" did the trick. OT will definitely work on a 68k mac, so don't let that confuse you. It sounds like you simply had a flaky Nubus NIC.

 

[MacTCP]

Open Transport is incompatible with System 7.5.0. In the read-me it says that it "isn't supported" under 7.5.0, only 7.1.x and 7.5.3 and higher. The installer doesn't stop me from installing it, so I think it's worth a try, since I use DHCP for internet and MacTCP can't use that. I'm pretty sure it will work. Apple said System 7.6.0 wouldn't work on my 4400, but it installed fine.

 

[MacTCP]

It turns out that the read me was just bologna. Open Transport works just fine under System 7.5.0. I'm actually posting from it right now.

 

[MacTCP]

Yes…I think I've figured out the odd behavior!! I realized that the Quadra 700 cursor can move off the right edge of the screen and come back. I looked at the back of the Quadra and there was another video card! So I think these "lock-ups" at startup were the default monitor being non-existent. The monitors and sound control panel was opening only on the other screen I believe.

I'll remove the video card and see what happens…

 

[MacTCP]

I was right! ;D

 

[equill]

Good thinking, and good for you. MacTCP 1 d. Video Devils 0.

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