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What software and functions do you miss in pre-OSX?

Knez

Well-known member
So, I was thinking quite a bit about this. I have a 2009 MacBook Pro which I bought a couple of years ago to replace the TiBook and Quad G5 as my daily machines. The thing is, I havent been using it that much except for those rare occations when I need to bring a computer somewhere (the TiBook is just too brittle to cary around).

I find myself using Mac OS 9 more and more these days, since it pretty much does all I need it to do.

So the question is, what "new" software do you miss in pre-OSX (Classic) that would make it more useful in your ordinary, daily computing life? All I can think of at the moment is a Spotify client to stream my music from.

Im just very curious :)

 

Scott Baret

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The only real thing I'd like to see added to the list of "classic" software is the current version of Messages so you can send texts from the computer. (I am awful at typing on touch screens so this is a godsend).

Aside from that, if you gave me Classilla, Office 98 or 2001, and MacDraw (or any program similar), I'm in good shape to be productive in 2015.

 

Paralel

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Same here. There are really just a few small programs I'd need to be happy using System 7 (tarted up with a bunch of extensions) on a modern computer. It just goes to show that an excellent OS design is never really outdated (which is why Windows 8 was such a flop, tried to fix what wasn't broken)

If Apple would open source System 7, I'd be thrilled. I'd rally a community of developers to bring it up to speed with modern conventions and go from there. I have no doubt ti would be popular with the minimalist community, considering I can get a fully functional System 7 to run in just 3 MB of memory as-is. I can see something like System 7 being awesome on a Raspberry PI.

 
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CC_333

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There are some rumors of... um... some sort of leaked source code floating around for System 7.1... somewhere...

...Or so I heard :) . Can't remember where I heard it, though.

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Paralel

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Yeah, but leaked code is pretty useless for most intents and purposes, any organized effort to use it would be brutally put down by Apple with prejudice

 

Elfen

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Scrapbook.

There are others but Scrapbook ranks #1 for me. I used to put several Cut&Pastes into it and use it later from there.

 

commodorejohn

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WPA wireless networking, maybe TLS since everybody's getting all obsessive about encrypting websites now. Other than that? Not a whole lot, really.

 

IPalindromeI

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Let's see what I use on the taskbar! what's missing from 1998. The world has moved on.

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  • Snipping tool: No big deal, just a nice way to crop screenshots.
  • Steam: There's always games for every platform. Every.
  • Control Panel/Explorer: Finder. It does support WebDAV, da?
  • Reader: A decent PDF reader that supports modern PDFs is always handy.
  • Notepad: SimpleText.
  • Word: Now we're going hard. I mainly use Markdown (which itself cant be easily processed pre-X) but Word is handy for post-processing to the rest of the world.
  • Excel: I only use basic stuff, so...
  • Visio: Very nice diagramming tool. There's vector drawing programs for Classic, but not quite like Visio's stencil-focused one.
  • Outlook: I use it for Exchange, IMAP, and SharePoint list synchronization. Exchange is 2010, which requires 2002 minimum.
  • Pidgin: Need XMPP, preferably with OTR.
  • IE: A modern browser, for doing all those browser things. Classilla works for various definition of works.
  • Weather: There's websites for this.
  • VMware Workstation: Virtual PC could handle 9x/NT4, but as it's emulated on a PPC, slow as balls. I don't want to imagine how fast Windows 7 is on it.
  • vSphere: Precedes the OS. This basically did not exist. There's a web client, but it's a slow, slow mess that requires Flash.
  • RDP: No client on Classic.
  • PuTTY/PSFTP: MacSSH works, but it's buggy and there's not a lot of time left in its lifespan, as OpenBSD keeps running a chainsaw to old and busted crypto in OpenSSHD.
  • VLC: As long as something can play FLAC, I'm good.
 
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Paralel

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Wow, you have a tremendous amount of stuff pinned to your taskbar. You must really hate the start page.

 
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CC_333

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Probably.

Anyway, my needs are relatively simple mostly, so if I *really* needed to, I could get by with almost anything that can get on the internet to browse the internet and do email. For example, I once did it on an old, decrepit NEC Ready 230T running Windows 3.1. We were on dial-up at the time, so it didn't really make any difference wrt speed. Another example would be last semester at school, when I used a 1.33 GHz 12" PowerBook G4 for a time while trying to repair my MacBook (I got, rather by accident, a 2008 MacBook that I chose to repair instead, as it has a somewhat better and faster achitecture). The PowerBook was actually quite competent, and I got used to its clunkyness. However, it was really nice when I got to use my new-to-me and recently repaired 2008 MacBook instead.

That being said, I do have a few things that NEED a modern system, such as Pro Tools, Adobe Audition, iTunes. These would be difficult, if not impossible, to run on an older system (when it worked, I could run all these things just fine on my 2006 MacBook, though, so anything within the last 10 years will work fine; PPC Macs are out, of course).

And as for overall speed, given identical hardware, I haven't really noticed any huge difference between how fast things are in Windows vs. Mac OS X, except Mac OS X seems to start up faster in general (at least on my 2008 Mac Pro with spinning disk drives; Windows 7 tied, or even slightly beat, Mac OS X when installed on an SSD, even on a lowly 2006 C2D MacBook!)

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ScutBoy

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Evernote and to some extent Stickies have become the Scrapbook for me. Nice, in the case of Evernote, that it's available across devices as long as connectivity is there.

 

Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
Staff member
To mirror IPalindromeI's list, almost everything I do these days is centered around connectivity to modern platforms.

Writing, chatting, e-mail, and even image processing, page layout, and video editing aren't things I couldn't somehow achieve on my Quadra 840av.

The difference between 2002-2005 or so when I had my first and then second 840av, and today, is that in addition to just "doing" the tasks, I need to actually be productive while doing them.

I could write my novel in MacWritePro, but I need to be able to visit the NaNoWriMo web site and paste it in to validate it, and I would like to take a computer with me to write on -- not everywhere we go for write-ins have batteries, so I'd say one of the biggest things I miss in my oldest computers is the battery life.

In addition, like IPalindromeI, my e-mail is hosted on an Exchange 2010 server and I store my documents in a SharePoint 2010 server, which conveniently eliminates just about all possibilities of using any PowerPC Macs or excessively old versions of Office on Windows (say, if I hypothetically had an XP machine with Office 2003) to do my "productivity" tasks.

This is all connectivity issues, and to be honest there's no reason that I couldn't do this work on a good G3 or even a good '030 or '040, but I would be completely disconnected from all of the places, methods, and workflows that I use.

And, OneNote and Remote Desktop are pretty important.

To extend it a little bit -- the things I missed on the Mac for a long time were OneNote and SharePoint connectivity. Office 2011 introduced a dedicated SharePoint connection method, it's kludgy because it essentially sits next to the entire Office suite as a shim that simulates Windows' ability to connect to SharePoint. In Office 2016, the SharePoint tool is being replaced with built-in support in all the apps. Hilariously, this means that I will probably lose the ability to bulk upload unrelated filetypes to my SharePoint server from my Mac(s). It was great for putting up a large number of screenshots or photos at once.

Of course, if I did actually go back and do everything I do today on a Quadra 840av, the other thing I'd probably miss is using better digital cameras and video equipment. Though, if I had something that would put files that Premiere 3 or 4 on the 840 could open on a netatalk fileserver, that would be neat. (though, I am imagining the 840av would collapse under the weight of even something trivial to cut, such as standard def MJPEG files.)

Part of the problem is that while individually my needs are "modest" and can be done on very old hardware, either with current software or by approximating or changing some of the things about how I compute, I typically have a lot of tasks running at once. My Mac mini has, in no particular order (okay, well, in dock order) Finder, Terminal, Safari, Chrome, OneNote, Pages, Photos (doing an Aperture -> Photos batch conversion, no less), Activity Monitor, App Store, Spotify.

Despite the fact that something is pretty clearly wrong with either my OS X installation or with my mini, it chews through all of these things(1) and doesn't flinch even I leave them open and launch a game like World of Warcraft.

And none of that's even considering virtualization, which I can happily do a lot of on something like my now-years-old Sandy Bridge desktop. (the main advantage there is dual hard disks and sixteen gigs of RAM.)

Raw horsepower is part of it, and Intel-based computers have that in spades. A modern overall architecture is the other component and although it's broken in Mac OS X, the ideas that it uses are solid and have served every other modern desktop operating system very well.

(1) My ThinkPad T400 will happily do the same workload with no random stalling out, even though it is half as fast and has half the memory, so my tasks aren't necessarily something I currently need a brand new computer or even a high end one to do.

 

Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
Staff member
To separate it out, as an actual honest answer, the thing I probably couldn't do without is OneNote.

If you warped me back in time and my 6100/60 or 840av (or even some Windows NT computer) was relevant and modern, the thing I'd miss most is almost certainly my daily notebook, that syncs to my handheld, my desktop, and my laptop over the Internet.

(Oh, that's another issue entirely -- modern connectivity may not be as great as we know it could be, but it's so much better than in the before-times.)

 

IPalindromeI

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The problem you'll run into today using old OSes for modern internet services is the lack of decent TLS. SSLv3 got killed because of POODLE, and TLSv1.0 is not long for this world. With a lot of sites tightening up security due to the NSA, expect TLSv1.2 with SNI and modern algorithms only.

 

Juliet Elysa

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If I were to go back to using a classic Mac OS for everything the things I would miss most are iTunes, Pandora and IMVU, as well as Photoshop Elements 7. Honestly though, I'd love to use the classic Mac OS instead of Windows. Not that I have anything against Windows - I used System 7.x (can't remember what exact version and too lazy to check :p ) and Mac OS 8.6 and 9.2 a lot as a little kid so the classic Mac OS has a ton of sentimental value to me.

 
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