Concorde1993
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Fair enough, although the "interpretation" was based on relevant facts of what did happen on this thread. I was just trying to clarify things here. :beige:
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Twiggy disks
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H3NRY
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If as you say, you have a working Lisa 1 with Twiggy disks and a bunch of blank floppy disks and system and installation disks as well as a ProFile, you have the best (possibly ONLY) setup of anyone in the world for writing a program to copy files from another computer to Twiggy disks. No one else has the hardware. No one has ever had the hardware since the internet became popular. There is no way to copy stuff from the internet to Twiggy disks, and there never has been because Apple discontinued Twiggy production before the internet was invented. Sorry.
If you just want help getting the computer running, one of the owners of a Lisa 2 may be able to help, but he will need details and probably photos to see what may be missing or broken.
If you just want help getting the computer running, one of the owners of a Lisa 2 may be able to help, but he will need details and probably photos to see what may be missing or broken.
Concorde1993
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Well, the Internet was "technically" around during the era of Twiggy disks, just not as the way we see, and use it today.
H3NRY
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The Twiggy era was 1982 and 1983. There was a net back then, restricted to military and research centers. The general public could not access it. You had to have an account on a research computer which you MIGHT be able to SLIP to from home with a dial-up modem and have a Unix terminal session. Not something mere mortals would attempt. 
Cliff Stoll's "The Cuckoo's Egg" gives a good feel of internet-ery about that time.
Cliff Stoll's "The Cuckoo's Egg" gives a good feel of internet-ery about that time.jpolster2009
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you all act like this is the only lisa 1 left. I see them all over the internet in pictures.
Concorde1993
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JP, trust us, these units are VERY rare. We're not kidding. I've only seen one (and it was a complete set) posted on eBay about a month ago, and it went for slightly over $5 000. I haven't seen any 1s for sale since, and I have never heard of any 68k member write in the Conquests forum that they bought, or found a Lisa 1 (and this forum has been around for awhile now). The main reason for this is because many people who purchased Lisa 1's upgraded to the Lisa 2 system (Apple offered a free upgrade program in 84 when the original Mac was released), which means that the ones that were returned were either destroyed, placed in cold storage, or sold off. The fact that a handful of people kept their Lisa 1's is probably because they realized that the value of these units would skyrocket in the future, or they were completely oblivious about Apple's upgrade program.
Btw, just because there are tons of pictures of Lisa 1's on Google, it doesn't mean that there are tons of Lisa 1's around. A lot of what you see photographed was from brochures, manuals, advertisements, etc. Honestly JP, use some common sense.
jpolster2009
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I read or heard somwhere that there are a bunch of Lisa 1's in guarded storage somwhere and they are never allowed to be sold or destroyed. something about apple avoiding the inventory tax on computers that wouldnt sell. can anyone confirm or deny this?
jpolster2009
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never mind, i confirmed it. Also saw photos of a dozer crushing them into dust to ensure none of the parts were salvagable. It makes me wanna cry. Didn't apple realize that these would be come rare? Didn't they care that the Twiggy disk format was the ONLY auto ejecting , auto insert notification 5.25 format? what am i going to do when this lisa I have now fails? Ive seen the Lisa 2 and without the twiggy disk format it kind of sucks. theres nothing special about it. sure it would be fun to play with but its just not the same. So if my lisa 1 fails, say the CRT dies or worse, caps leak. or a twiggy drive fails. what am i going to do. How could I live in a world without Lisa? Slowly but surely the supply of automatically ejecting floppy disk drives will become smaller and smaller. things would have been better if we never progressed beyond the Lisa, or Beyond the SE / 30 or iifx. okay? but now. Now if this Lisa fails Im going to be at my wit's end dealing with grief. I have computer skills, but not the low level electronic skills required to repair a board. Ive always been a parts swapper tech. you can swap out parts when you do not have parts available. Seeing the phenomena that happened with every vintage computer becoming rare it makes me want to hoard not only computers vintage, but computers modern for they will also become vintage and forgotten. and is this what will happen to hard drive technology? when solid state takes over will we toss our Magnetic Plattered friends to the landfill? Will we one day toss out optical media in favor of flash as well? Will bluray and dvd become fragmentations of our memories? And what will happen then? DVD / Blu Ray is the last format alive in which the mechanism for loading and unloading the medium is motorized and controllable by software. What will happen to this world when auto-ejecting anything is a thing of the past and we are left with spring loaded MicroSD card slots that must be manually loaded and unloaded? In 30 years will I even still have this Lisa? Will I? Will it still work? What about my other vintage macintosh machines? Will MacOS still exist? In 30 years I will be 56 years old. I hope by then I will have quite a vintage computer collection. For now I must quest apon finding another Lisa, a Lisa 2. God I miss Lisa. Having this computer is like having a piece of her back.
Concorde1993
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Supposedly in the late 80s, Apple disposed of 2,700 unsold Lisas in a guarded landfill in Utah in order to receive a tax write-off on the unsold inventory. Here is the link to the article: http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1999/1/1999_1_64.shtml
I am assuming that they were a mixture of Lisa 1s, 2s, and the re-badged Mac XL. Quite sad if you think about it.
EDIT- Just saw your post. Mega friggin paragraph, btw.
Actually, that Lisa sold for $15,000, not $5,000.
Lisa 1's are more than rare. They basically don't exist. One apparently shows up from time to time on the Vintage Computer Festival Circuit. DigiBarn, which is famous for having everything, has a "former" Lisa 1, meaning they have the original Twiggy disk drives sitting loose but they are missing the front bezel. The Computer History Museum in Mountain View has a Lisa prototype that's missing the production plastics... but I think the point has been made here. Undoubtedly more people have seen sasquatch in the last year than have seen a "twiggy" disk drive.
Indeed. If the Internet awarded Oscars I'd nominate that as being a shoe-in to win the "Least Convincing Performance" award.
This story is essentially as believable as if someone posted on this forum "So, I went to a garage sale in my neighborhood and some old guy sold me an Apple I for a nickel. Can someone tell me how to load programs off the Internet onto cassettes for it?" I don't think there's anyone here, up to and including the owner of this website, that could say that and have it be believed without proof. If the OP is telling the truth there are any number of Macintosh-centric news sites (simply Google for more) that would consider this a human-interest story worthy of publishing. (You might even get a free digital camera out of it!)
Would it be breaking the "no taunting" rule to simply state that axiom so beloved by Internet forum denizens: "Don't feed the troll"?
Concorde1993
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Ah, so that fellow did re-list that Lisa 1. I wasn't aware of that. Here is a screen shot from the end of the first auction where the reserve was not met:
Well, you've got to admit, there is some intelligent pondering in that massive jumble (i.e., "when solid state takes over will we toss our Magnetic Plattered friends to the landfill?" "Will bluray and dvd become fragmentations of our memories?"). It could use a bit of a fixer-upper, nevertheless.
JP, that Lisa couldn't careless if you make it home, or not. It's just a machine. Get over it.
applefreak
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lisa 1 sold at 6 jan 2011
lisa 1 sold at 9 jan 2011
Concorde1993
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More Lisa 1s?! Wow, I am impressed!
jpolster2009
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told you they werent rare
Concorde1993
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Finding only 3 working Lisa 1s still constitutes them as "rare." There's probably just a handful of 1s left intact, and that's it.
Btw, as far as we're concerned here, you DON'T have a Lisa 1.
jpolster2009
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I do have a Lisa I do! And why should i have to prove myself to any of you? What purpose is there asking the technical qeustion that i did at the beginning of this forum if i dont have a lisa? Why would i care how to get software from the net to a twiggy if i dont have a lisa
cjtmacclassic
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It would be beneficial to the 68kmla community if this find were very well documented with pictures, diagrams, statistics, and any other information availible.
Byrd
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You need not prove anything, but going off your unbelievable and grandiose statements made throughout this forum, it makes many very skeptical. You could of course shut us all up by providing basic evidence of your find, but that seems highly unlikely! Getting access to a camera isn't difficult - phone, webcam, neighbour ...
Concorde1993
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That's all we want, JP. Naturally, we would all like to see what you have found, regardless if it's a 1, 2, or XL. It doesn't matter, because the Lisa is a very special computer, and to find one like you've described is only short of a miracle.
Besides, if you want people to help you with your "Lisa," you need to provide some form of documentation. This isn't a $5 Compact Mac that everyone has at least 4+ copies of. You can't expect to get any help with inadequate information, and you can't expect us to believe you without proper evidence. Sorry to bust your bubble, but we're only human here.
I don't mind if you "prove me wrong." As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I want you to do at this point!
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