System 7.1 and MacTCP - MacIP possible?

[eweri]

Hello!

I just played around with some old Compact Macs and tried to get MacIP with MacTCP running on my Macintosh Classic running System 7.1. I've installed MacTCP 2.0.6 and selected the LocalTalk port but as soon as I try to ping an ip address with MacTCP-Watcher the Mac crashes with Trap 12.

My Color Classic works with MacIP over TCP/IP (OpenTransport) running 7.6.1.

It is a lot of fun, when you start Internet Explorer 2.1 and the first page you see is from Microsoft with the message "time to update your browser" . But you must be patient :beige:

Just to explain: MacIP is a technique to capsuled TCP/IP-pakets into AppleTalk-pakets and sent it over a LocalTalk link. You need a router that support en-/capsulation of TCP into AppleTalk (IPNetRouter).

Bye,

eweri

 

[NJRoadfan]

Yes, it works fine.

 

[eweri]

Hm, okay but how?

As I wrote my Classic crashes immediately when I try to use TCP/IP programs.

Bye,

eweri

 

[NJRoadfan]

I just installed System 7.1 with networking. Next I installed MacTCP 2.0.6 and set it up with MacIP via my Shiva Fastpath. After that, TCP/IP apps worked without a problem. The machine in question was a Powerbook 180c, but I have run MacTCP on a SE in the past without a problem.

 

[eweri]

Hm that is strange.

Everywhere I read that I have to select LocalTalk in the MacTCP control panel and then have to select the right AppleTalk-Zone in the pulldown menu - BUT - I do not have any pull down menu beneath the LocalTalk Icon

Just for curiosity I use IPNetRouter running on a SE/30 and have a Colour Classic connected via LocalTalk. The CC uses OpenTransport and I can connect to other IP-devices or surf the Internet ( crawl is the right word ).

I connected the Classic to the same LocalTalk net - I can copy files via AppleTalk from the SE/30 back and forth. But as sone as I try to use TCP I get Trap 12 error and the Classic crashes.

Maybe I miss something or MacTCP can support MacIP within an AppleTalk Zone only.

Any idea?

Bye,

eweri

 

[NJRoadfan]

Unless you have a router that "seeds" Appletalk zones (don't know if IPNetRouter does this), you won't see a drop down selection. The machines are just part of the default "*" Zone. Selecting MacIP from the MacTCP control panel and manually specifying an IP should be enough. There is no DHCP support and I have never gotten the "Server" address assignment to work reliability.

 

[eweri]

Hello!

Well I found out, that MacIP was always running, but when I tried to use ping in MacTCPWatcher it generates a crash.

I played around with MacTCPWatcher from my "MacIP-Gateway" - a SE/30 - and tried to ping the Classic and was surprised that I got ping answers from the Classic as soone as I start MacTCPWatcher at the Classic - wow - so the TCP-Stack must be up and running.

Then I said to me " Don't use ping - try dns." and it worked.

I tried Internet Explorer 2.1 but it crashed (maybe 4MB RAM is not enough ) - but Fetch 3.0.3 works! Really cool!

Now I need a browser and a ssh terminal that works on Macs without ColorQuickDraw - WannaBe won't run because it needs ColorQuickDraw.

Bye,

eweri

 

[theos911]

Will this work?

http://www.macssh.com/ssh_down.html

 

[eweri]

Hm, i don't think so.

It needs at least 7.5.1 and my Classic runs 7.1

Bye,

eweri

 

[theos911]

I couldn't find system requirements for this one, but he does offer a 68k version.

http://asg.andrew.cmu.edu/andrew2/dist/niftytelnet.html

http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonasw/freeware/niftyssh/

 

[LOOM]

I'm have a System 7.0 Macintosh with MacTCP. Never tried ping on Macintosh itself, but the browsing the "internet" works fine.. I have even used MacTCP on a Plus with a serial cable and System 6.0.8 (as described here)

I forgot what to choose on System 7.0 at the moment, but you need ethernet drivers for your card, choose Ethernet (in MacPPP? Or Chooser?), then set MacTCP up with your ip.. I also selected something in the Chooser, but honestly forgot what.