System 7.1.1 Pro

[IIciNov90]

I've been running Mac Systems since 6.0.3 and yet somehow this version escaped me for all of these years. Are there any advantages to running this vs. 7.1? ie. does it being "Pro" mean that it has better performance? I tend to run a lean system so I don't need all of the extra stuff like the newer Quicktime but are there any compelling bug fixes or performance tweaks that would make this worthy of pursuit. (likewise for 7.1.2)

thanks,

Brian

 

[Anonymous Freak]

About the only thing that makes it "Pro" are all the extras.

 

[ppuskari]

7.1.1 Pro is the very last OS you can boot on the Radius Rocket. It also give the Quicktime support which is nice on that platform too.

It was very hard for me to actual find but after 5 years or so of looking, I do have a copy finally and it did work on that Radius Rocket setup.

Mac II with a Daystar Turbo 040 card on the main board, 4 Rockets, 100mb ethernet, and Radius Video board. Have to run with the case top off due to excessive heat however.

 

[IIciNov90]

Wow! lots of replies!

From wikipedia:

The first major upgrade was System 7.1.1, also known as "System 7 Pro". This release was a bundle of 7.1 with AppleScript tools, QuickTime and Apple Open Collaboration Environment (AOCE). While System 7 had some trouble running in slightly older machines due to memory footprint, System 7 Pro barely fit into any Macintosh computers at the time. It was most commonly used for its minor bug fixes rather than its new functionality.

and

System 7.1.2 was the first version of the Mac OS to support Apple's new PowerPC-based computers. 68k applications which had not yet been updated to run natively on these systems were emulated transparently (without users' knowledge) by a built-in 68k processor emulator. Fat binaries, which contained the code necessary to run natively on both PowerPC and 68k systems, became common during this time. This process was similar to the distribution of universal binaries during Apple's transition from PowerPC to Intel processors in 2006.

I wonder how many "bug fixes" there were in each of these. I would custom install for just my IIci so I don't think that either one would be too bloated versus 7.1.

Any thoughts?

In the meantime, after I resolder in the Tantalum capacitors, I need to break out Resedit and redo the omega SANE enabling hack to restore my top IIci speed.

thanks,

Brian

 

[Charlieman]

It's interesting from a historical perspective because it was the first wide release of AppleScript 1.0. Useless for most purposes (AppleScript 1.0, I mean), but it was an important product in some markets that helped sell Macs in the bad old days of the 1990s.

 

[IIciNov90]

Just when I thought I was educated in the versions of 7.1, now I find that there is even a 7.1.3!!!

http://inlovewithapple.com/software.html

I have no idea other than what the page above describes. Were there installer disks (CDs or floppies?)

They were always fixing bugs back in those days. (Always!!)

It would be really interesting to be able to get this one for my IIci.

Brian

 

[Anonymous Freak]

7.1.2 and 7.1.3 are for specific systems.

7.1.2 is only for the first-generation Power Macs, 7.1.2P is only for certain models of Performa, and 7.1.3 is only for the PowerBook 520 and 540. (At least, that was my understanding.)

I'll have to check, I'm pretty certain I have a copy of 7.1.3. Yup, looks like it.

 

[IIciNov90]

7.1.2 and 7.1.3 are for specific systems.

So, would the 7.1.2 or 7.1.3 installer let you do a specific install for another system such as a IIci? Assuming it did, when you checked the system would it say that it was 7.1.3?

I was a seed site from 7.5.2 through the end of 9. In spite of the horrible stuff folks were saying about Apple at the time, the engineers were working very hard and were always fixing bugs - Always! They took all reports very seriously no matter how obscure. Unlike the stable rock that is OSX, there were way more to fix with the Classic MacOS. As they completed fixing them, they would "depart" on the next official system release sort of like a train leaving the station. The release notes highlighting all of the fixes were always very interesting to read. The fixes did not necessarily have to be for a specific new model that was coming out, if a bug fix was completed, they would introduce it. That's why if 7.1.3 is available, I would be very interested in using it to build my ultimate IIci System.

I'm assuming that 7.1.2 and 7.1.3 include all of the elements in 7.1.1 Pro.

I'll have to check, I'm pretty certain I have a copy of 7.1.3. Yup, looks like it.

Can you fire it up and see if it allows you to do a custom install for prior hardware such as the IIci?

thanks,

Brian

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Can you fire it up and see if it allows you to do a custom install for prior hardware such as the IIci?

When I get home today, I'll try it out on an SE/30, see what happens.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

I'm assuming that 7.1.2 and 7.1.3 include all of the elements in 7.1.1 Pro.

No, it doesn't! Pro is a very specific sub-version. Pro comes with the main 7.1 install disks, plus a set of 'extra software' install disks. PowerTalk, AppleScript, QuickTime, and one or two more that escape me. My 7.1.3 disk set for PowerBook 500-series does have the QuickTime extension on the generic-7.1.3 'Goodies' (or maybe it's the PowerBook-specific 'Additions') disk, but not the whole set of extra installers. Same goes for my 7.1.2P set for Performa/LC/Quadra 630.

I'll have to check my 7.1.2 for PowerPC CD. The CD version might include the extras.

Can you fire it up and see if it allows you to do a custom install for prior hardware such as the IIci?

When I get home today, I'll try it out on an SE/30, see what happens.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Alright. The installer for my PowerBook 500-series installer has two options at the top of the list: "System for PowerBook 500 series" and "Min System for PowerBook 500 series". However, I just noticed that at the bottom of the list is...... "Update System Software for any Macintosh"!

Installing that over the base 7.1 that's on my SE/30 works perfectly.

The only oddity is the reporting of the version number. In the installer, it claims to be 7.1.1. After it is installed, "About This Macintosh" says just 7.1. But the Finder file "Get Info" window shows 7.1.3.

 

[slomacuser]

There was no system 7.1.3 ever, that is only Finder version, like there is 7.1.4 too. System and Finder never shared the same release number except from 7.0 to 7.1

See here: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA31885?viewlocale=en_US

 

[IIciNov90]

Thanks for trying this out on your SE/30. What about when you get info on the System Suitcase? It looks like we got some conflicting data and the mothership does not acknowledge the other versions.

The macintosh garden site certainly seems to believe in the later versions such as 7.1.2 as well.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/more-system-71x-images

Maybe they don't exist, maybe they do. I can certainly remember 7.5.4 ;-) .

I think that I will be going with 7.1.1 Pro on my IIci.

thanks,

Brian

 

[trag]

Just when I thought I was educated in the versions of 7.1, now I find that there is even a 7.1.3!!!
http://inlovewithapple.com/software.html

That was my favorite OS for a long time. I ran it on my IIci and my IIci with Turbo040 upgrade. I can't remember if I also ran it on my IIci after I added the Turbo601 upgrade. I think I did.

I skipped 7.5.X and went from 7.1.3 to 7.6.1 when I moved up to a PCC Power 120 (8100 clone).

IIRC, I got to 7.1.3 by installing 7.1 and then running the updater for the .3. I probably still have it on my archive volume.

Jeff Walther

 

[IIciNov90]

IIRC, I got to 7.1.3 by installing 7.1 and then running the updater for the .3. I probably still have it on my archive volume.

That update didn't happen to be System Update 3.0 did it?

BTW, the Caps arrived today, I am looking forward to getting them installed. If all goes well, I will next conquer the SE/30 (I've got a spare IIfx ROM SIMM to make that beauty 32-bit clean!)

Crystal Quest, Sky Shadow, Shanghai, Spectre, Tempest, Strategic Conquest and Microsoft Word 4.0e (the REAL best version of MS Word) here I come!

thanks

Brian

 

[slomacuser]

System Update 3.0 does not change the version number of FInder or System. From my experience I got it installed on my Colour Classic, the FInder and System are still version 7.1

 

[applefreak]

If you installed System 7.1, 7.1 Pro or 7.1.2, then you should

also install System Update 3.0

System Update 3.0

 

[Anonymous Freak]

There was no system 7.1.3 ever, that is only Finder version, like there is 7.1.4 too. System and Finder never shared the same release number except from 7.0 to 7.1
See here: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA31885?viewlocale=en_US

Thanks. Deep down, I thought the PowerBook 500-series was 7.1.1; but when I saw 7.1.3 on the Finder, I suppose I assumed that it was 7.1.3...

I knew that the 7.1.2's were really 7.1.2 not 7.1.4.

 

[trag]

IIRC, I got to 7.1.3 by installing 7.1 and then running the updater for the .3. I probably still have it on my archive volume.

That update didn't happen to be System Update 3.0 did it?

Almost certainly. And that's why I called that system 7.1.3, but the other posters here are likely correct about that being only the Finder version.

BTW, the Caps arrived today, I am looking forward to getting them installed. If all goes well, I will next conquer the SE/30 (I've got a spare IIfx ROM SIMM to make that beauty 32-bit clean!)
Crystal Quest, Sky Shadow, Shanghai, Spectre, Tempest, Strategic Conquest and Microsoft Word 4.0e (the REAL best version of MS Word) here I come!

thanks

Brian

Please let me know how it turns out.