setting up a G4 Tower Quicksilver 933 MHz

[Forrest]

Nice computer. What video card is installed?

 

[bigmessowires]

The logic board has two IDE channels, so that would be 4 drives. If you got a later version then it won't have the 128GB limit.

Yes, at least according to Wikipedia this particular model should not have a 128GB limit.

I have 17 drives in one of mine with a RAID card

LOL, you are living the dream! I'll settle for a single drive that works.

Nice computer. What video card is installed?

The System Profiler said 64MB GeForce 4 MX, although I didn't notice any GeForce or nVidia branding on the card itself.

 

[Forrest]

The Apple built graphics cards for that machine was a 32 MB ATI Radeon 7500, 64 MB NVIDIA GeForce4 MX, or 128 MB GeForce4 Ti. The GeForce4 MX was a good card - much better than the 16 MB ATI Rage Pro shipped in the prior generation G4 Digital Audio.

 

[treellama]

Modem and AirPort card slot.

 

[volvo242gt]

The Apple built graphics cards for that machine was a 32 MB ATI Radeon 7500, 64 MB NVIDIA GeForce4 MX, or 128 MB GeForce4 Ti. The GeForce4 MX was a good card - much better than the 16 MB ATI Rage Pro shipped in the prior generation G4 Digital Audio.

Yep, should allow use of an A1038 20" Apple Cinema Display, if desired.

 

[bigmessowires]

What's a good way to get new software from the Garden onto a a Mac like this one? Normally I'd use Floppy Emu, but there's no floppy. Will a 20-year-old version of Netscape Navigator be able to surf the web well enough? I haven't tried it yet. Or maybe use an HFS+ formatted USB thumb drive and sneaker-net files via my MacBook Air?

 

[joshc]

What's a good way to get new software from the Garden onto a a Mac like this one? Normally I'd use Floppy Emu, but there's no floppy. Will a 20-year-old version of Netscape Navigator be able to surf the web well enough? I haven't tried it yet. Or maybe use an HFS+ formatted USB thumb drive and sneaker-net files via my MacBook Air?

IE 5.5 loads Garden pages and downloads from it OK.

USB transfers will be incredibly slow.

 

[LaPorta]

Your modern Mac should be able to connect to the QuickSilver without issue over Ethernet with OS X 10.4. I guess I am assuming you have a modern Mac, though. Usually I do everything via network and disc images mounted on the target machine.

 

[bigmessowires]

Your modern Mac should be able to connect to the QuickSilver without issue over Ethernet with OS X 10.4.

This may be a dumb question, but connect how? Can I just use Ventura 13.4's Finder->Go->Computer menu option to connect to the G4 running OS X 10.4? Or do I need to set up an FTP server?

 

[LaPorta]

This may be a dumb question, but connect how? Can I just use Ventura 13.4's Finder->Go->Computer menu option to connect to the G4 running OS X 10.4? Or do I need to set up an FTP server?

That’s all. As long as sharing is set up and on on the QuickSilver you should be good. If it doesn’t show up automatically, use the IP manually, and you can mount your Quicksilvers HD right on the desktop of your modern Mac.

 

[LaPorta]

To clarify, make sure File Sharing is on on the G4. I generally use AFP, but SMB should work as well…I will usually turn them both on. If all goes well, the QuickSilver should even just show up in the sidebar of all of your Ventura finder windows. If not, you can do it the way you specified, or you can also press Command-K while in the finder, and type in the Quicksilvers IP address manually.

 

[volvo242gt]

To download directly from the garden, you can do it in OS X. Just use the last version of Firefox for PowerPC (or InterWebPPC), then load up the site normally. Some page rendering will look weird, but it works. I've done it a few times on both my G4 and my previous B&W G3.

 

[cobalt60]

To download directly from the garden, you can do it in OS X

I am able to download from Macintosh Garden in OS 8.6 -9.1 using Netscape. I think I just have to use FrogFind to get there. I think this link will work on OS 8/9:

http://frogfind.com/read.php?a=http://macintoshgarden.org/

Though doesn't seem to work on a modern PC

FrogFind is great for getting a bunch of sites working, but not everywhere. This forum for example does not seem to work with it

 

[volvo242gt]

I am able to download from Macintosh Garden in OS 8.6 -9.1 using Netscape. I think I just have to use FrogFind to get there. I think this link will work on OS 8/9:

http://frogfind.com/read.php?a=http://macintoshgarden.org/

Though doesn't seem to work on a modern PC

FrogFind is great for getting a bunch of sites working, but not everywhere. This forum for example does not seem to work with it

Good to know. If I ever get the Linksys Wireless-G adapter I have installed in said G4 working under 9.2.2, I'll try it sometime.

 

[LaPorta]

Yes, Garden I can access from almost anything. I thought he might have other software already he might want to transfer en masse.

 

[volvo242gt]

If he does, then he can do it either by treating the G4 as a server, or vice versa, since it looks like Fetch and Transit work fine for FTPing into a modern Mac. Not unlike what I do with my iPhone and the FTP Manager app to transfer photos back and forth between it and my MBP.

 

[bigmessowires]

What's a good graphics card with digital video output for this Quicksilver? I think it's too old for any HDMI options, but there must be options with DVI? The video card that's installed now only has VGA and the Apple ADC connector. I think perhaps ADC is digital video, but doesn't help me much when using a modern monitor. Was ADC-to-DVI the adapter that was in the news recently because it was selling for hundreds of dollars?

EDIT: I assume I'd need a card for the AGP slot, not PCI?

 

[Phipli]

What's a good graphics card with digital video output for this Quicksilver? I think it's too old for any HDMI options, but there must be options with DVI? The video card that's installed now only has VGA and the Apple ADC connector. I think perhaps ADC is digital video, but doesn't help me much when using a modern monitor. Was ADC-to-DVI the adapter that was in the news recently because it was selling for hundreds of dollars?

It depends if you want accelerated OS9 graphics. If you do, the Geforce 4 Ti 4600 is the fastest I believe? But they're expensive. Very expensive. @macuserman ?

 

[LaPorta]

Wait, for real? The adapters are going for hundreds?? I thought the adapter was just for using the Cinema Displays that use ADC to be able to connect to regular DVI ports, not for ADC out to DVI. I just saw the ones you are talking about....that is absolutely insane. The ADC monitor ones are like $30, the ones for the ADC card port are like $250. No idea how in the world that works at all.

A separate, PCI card is always an option if they are cheaper.

 

[bigmessowires]

Yup, $250 now! It was in the news last month. https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23...supply-of-rare-dongle-as-resellers-charge-250

For a PCI graphics card, there was a question how it would behave with or without an AGP graphics card also present. I don't need a dual-monitor system, and I don't want a phantom second monitor where windows might pop up invisibly. If I could disable or remove the AGP graphics card, that might be OK. But an (inexpensive?) AGP card with DVI would be simplest.

EDIT: Or I could just shut up and use the VGA output on the card I already have.