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BadGoldEagle

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All the 128ks, the 512ks, some 512kes and that's it. The rest was made in Cork or in Singapore.

I'd say 30% of all Classic and Classic IIs out there were made in Singapore. All Pluses, SEs and SE/30s were made in Cork. Actually IIRC I did see a Singapore-made SE/30 a couple of years ago but that is very rare (for the European market I mean)!

Things are very different on the other side of the Atlantic.

Edit: forgot about the Lisa and the XL... All of them were made in Ireland as far as I know.

 
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Themk

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Here the vast majority came out of Fremont, CA. You see some Singapore-built Classics and Classic IIs, but everything else is pretty much made in Fremont (With the exception of some SE/30s that came from Singapore, but I would say most SE/30s here are from Fremont). I have seen a couple of Cork, Ireland built units here though.

 

BadGoldEagle

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Weren't all Classic and Classic IIs bezels made in Singapore? I just took two apart today, both of them were made in Ireland according to the sticker but both have Singapore-made bezels... That's odd.

Man, I'd love to get my hands on a US made SE Superdrive. This model is quite rare over here (You do see a lot of FDHDs though). And it seems all of them were made in the US and only came with Astec PSUs.

On the subject of PSUs, 98% of SE-SE/30s here have Sony PSUs. 

 

Themk

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Weren't all Classic and Classic IIs bezels made in Singapore? I just took two apart today, both of them were made in Ireland according to the sticker but both have Singapore-made bezels
Yes they were all made in Singapore. Here in the U.S.A., most of those machines were imported as complete units from Singapore, where as in Europe, the parts were imported into Ireland, where they were then assembled into complete units. Some Ireland-assembled units made it to the U.S. though. AFAIK, no Classic or Classic II was built in Fremont, CA.

On the subject of PSUs, 98% of SE-SE/30s here have Sony PSUs.
I can't tell if the consensus is that the Sony PSU is better, or the Astec PSU is better. Some people like the look of the Astec better as its power switch is platinum, where as the Sonys all have black power switches I think.

Man, I'd love to get my hands on a US made SE Superdrive. This model is quite rare over here (You do see a lot of FDHDs though). And it seems all of them were made in the US and only came with Astec PSUs.
My SE SuperDrive came with a Sony PSU, but I think you are correct to say they were all made in the U.S.A. Personally, I like my Fremont, CA made Macs. It is the site of where the original Macintosh was built, not to mention the quality of the products were good too (not that Cork was any lower quality).

Someone over here could easily get you an American-made SE SuperDrive, but shipping across the Atlantic might be a little intense (unless the price tag is of no object).

 
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BadGoldEagle

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Yeah, all Sony PSUs have the black switch and plug (except if it was replaced...)

Two of my Macs (the 128k and the 512k Hyperdrive) were made in Fremont and I'm proud of that. Cork built machines are very well built too. But the Fremont plant has so much history behind it, it was so advanced for its time! 

I try to avoid the Singapore Macs. These were built on the cheap. In fact the only question I asked the sellers when I bought my Classic and my Classic II was "Was it made in Ireland or Singapore?" lol.

I never left Europe, but I plan to visit the States some time in the future. Maybe I'll bring a Superdrive back with me, who knows?

 

Themk

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My Apple IIgs (as I think all were) was built in Singapore. The quality of the computer is good, about what you would expect for any other Apple product of the time period (1986-1989), the plastic is nice and strong like my Mac's plastics are. I do wish it was built in the U.S. though, that would be cool. It's not a surprise that Singapore was used as a budget manufacturing destination in the 90s for Apple's lower end machines. (Notice how their higher end machines from the time period are either made/assembled in U.S.A., and the lower end ones are made in Singapore?)

That would be cool to bring home a SuperDrive with you. Just make sure you have space in your hand (carry-on) luggage!

 
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Macsimus

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Getting back to the original topic of this thread (ahem)...   ;D

I finally acquired "the tool" so I could open the case and take it apart:


And what do I find? A Daynaport E/SI30 Ethernet card! ... But no breakout card with the ports. Argh!


 
So close, yet so far. Perhaps a kind soul on this forum has a dead E/SI30 with a breakout card they'd be willing to part with?   ;D
 
A closer look at the motherboard and the tube:
 

 


All in all, a bit dusty, but looks pretty good. I'll send the motherboard out to get re-capped soon, but so far, I'm liking what I see.


 

Themk

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Nice Ethernet card. Now, I can't remember if those cards have components on the daughter board or not, or if they have passive or active components on them. First thing would be for someone to take a picture of their daughter board, and then go from there. If its just a connector, someone will have to buzz the connections for you, and then you can build your own adaptor. If it has components, someone will have to see if those components are generic (off the shelf), and if so, it can probably be recreated from a schematic. Hopefully it is possible to build a new one. I have a Mini EtherPrint Plus from Dayna, it is a nice product!

 

joethezombie

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Yeah, there's a bunch of black magic on those daughter boards. All hope might not be lost... if the Daynaport is anything like Asanté, you might could use an external AAUI transceiver instead. Of course, you'd have to figure out the pinout. Is the header labeled at all?

 

Themk

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Hmm that's unfortunant. Someone might be able to figure out the pinout on the header still!

 
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Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
The 10bT section of the Asante breakout card is just an AUI transceiver plugged into the passive AUI intermediate card, so it should work with any AUI feed? No drivers required for than, no?

 

Themk

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Same, about not having permissions to view.

If someone could figure out what the pin out from the header on the Dayna card is, then an AUI to 10BaseT transceiver is probably all that would be needed.

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
If someone has a dead Asante Card the backplane transceiver should work with any other card that outputs ThickNet to the backplane connector. I'd think there are a lot more of those around out there for a better shot at finding the board from a dead card for putting an RJ-45 on the backplane.

 
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Themk

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I took a closer look at your networking card Macsimus. I happen to have a card based around that exact same chipset! No, its not an 030 PDS card, its a Comm slot 1 card, but its similar. Both are PDS (well maybe more like PDS-like in the comm slot) interfaces.

NuBus mafia over at the 'fritter has photos of my card:

http://www.applefritter.com/?q=node/2116

Not exactly the same as your card as does have a twisted-pair transceiver on board. My card is, however, identical to the one in the picture I linked. If you need me to do some buzzing, I am more than happy to help. I have the datasheet too, which I will attach to this post. The datasheet has the pin out of the chip package to, that might help the more technical here on this board help you with how this should all work.

SONIC-T_DP83934.pdf

 

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unity

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Are you sure the Lisa/XLs were all made in Ireland? I was very certain Apple had just one plant to produce them in the states, so any in Europe would have been made in the USA.

 

BadGoldEagle

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Lisas/XLs with the 220V PSU were "ASSEMBLED" in Europe.

Proof: 
AppleLisa-6.jpg.d7876fde7a9db97f4bd9f962343110b9.jpg


That "P" at the end of the model number indicates that the unit is equipped with a 220V PSU, just as macs (M0001P, M0001WP,M0001AP...)

There's quite a difference between "Made" and "Assembled". So, I guess you're right. They were all made in the US but some of the parts were shipped to Ireland to be assembled there. They probably avoided some taxes that way.

 
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