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Power Mac G5
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bluekatt
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the clamshells boot 9 no doubt about thatbluekatt: 'dual usb' (according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBook) should be a g3, so it must boot os 9.
i am very sure the 500 mhz's also boot in 9
my 800 mhz dual usb G3 refuses to boot of my os 9 disc but that might be because i have 9.0
the orginal software cd's have mac os x jaguar and os 9.2.2
you could also look in to the powerbook G3's and the early powerbook G4's
i know for certain that the wall street mainstreet lombard and pismo models boot up in os 9 with out a problem
~tl
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Yeah, you'll probably need 9.2.2 on the CD for it.
If you're wanting a laptop that can boot OS 9 then your best bet would be either a later model iBook G3 or a titanium PowerBook G4 (15"). The aluminium PowerBook G4s and iBook G4s will only run OS X. If you're wanting to go with a PowerMac instead, then any G4 will run OS 9 except the one model that has FireWire 800.
bluekatt
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but if you go for an ibook beware of the BGA video hip problem usually referred to as the logic board problem
long story short the video chip is starting to come loose of its solder and even though the mac wil boo tup you wont see anything on the screen
placinga shim inside the ibook wil apply enough pressure to get the ibook to work again
or if you are feeling adventurous play around with a paintstripper
so beware of the ibooks they might come cheap but be carefull what you are getting your self in to the 700 mhz G3 ibooks seem to be worst
followed by the 500 mhz who are the oldest but the problem is across the range
my 600 mhz never had it my 500 mhz doesnt have it but my 800 mhz does have it
so be carefull of them
the pismo G3 powerbooks have bigger screen boot in os 9 have G4 upgrade abilities but they are 7 years ol dby now are stil some what expensive and can suffer pink screen
if you just want a simple quick and easy os 9 machine get a late ibook
if you want to build a monster look to the pismo
as far as your G5 goes no idea it may be you agp slot
or something else
long story short the video chip is starting to come loose of its solder and even though the mac wil boo tup you wont see anything on the screen
placinga shim inside the ibook wil apply enough pressure to get the ibook to work again
or if you are feeling adventurous play around with a paintstripper
so beware of the ibooks they might come cheap but be carefull what you are getting your self in to the 700 mhz G3 ibooks seem to be worst
followed by the 500 mhz who are the oldest but the problem is across the range
my 600 mhz never had it my 500 mhz doesnt have it but my 800 mhz does have it
so be carefull of them
the pismo G3 powerbooks have bigger screen boot in os 9 have G4 upgrade abilities but they are 7 years ol dby now are stil some what expensive and can suffer pink screen
if you just want a simple quick and easy os 9 machine get a late ibook
if you want to build a monster look to the pismo
as far as your G5 goes no idea it may be you agp slot
or something else
bluekatt
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and the G4 ibooks have a problem with their keyboard adhesi e which makes some of them smell like a sweat sock
and surprise surprise they also have a bga video chip problem
got for a G3 ibook or a G3 pismo
at least the pismo is upgradable
short of swapping out the mobo's there is not much to upgrade about the ibooks of G4 powerbooks
and the G4 powerbooks or all three versions of the ibooks do not have pcmcia slots
the pismo does
and surprise surprise they also have a bga video chip problem
got for a G3 ibook or a G3 pismo
at least the pismo is upgradable
short of swapping out the mobo's there is not much to upgrade about the ibooks of G4 powerbooks
and the G4 powerbooks or all three versions of the ibooks do not have pcmcia slots
the pismo does
bamdad
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can it be an agp slot problem, even if i am not having any other video problems at all? i can even move the card gently while the machine is on, without any issues.. only this startup thingy. but i noticed that it takes only 2 tries to turn it on correctly after updating the firmware.
pismo is nice, i looked around, in my opinion much nicer than those white ibooks. but when i get to buying a laptop my concern will not be a native os 9, but to be able to use it for work with an attached monitor. so i will go for the g4 ibook or powerbook.
btw, to put an end to this os 9 misery, i am going to buy an imac g3 (dvi) (400mhz processor, 256mb ram, 10gb hdd, slot-loading dvd) for (calculating..) around 40$. that is a decent price.. i think.. or not? :?:
pismo is nice, i looked around, in my opinion much nicer than those white ibooks. but when i get to buying a laptop my concern will not be a native os 9, but to be able to use it for work with an attached monitor. so i will go for the g4 ibook or powerbook.
btw, to put an end to this os 9 misery, i am going to buy an imac g3 (dvi) (400mhz processor, 256mb ram, 10gb hdd, slot-loading dvd) for (calculating..) around 40$. that is a decent price.. i think.. or not? :?:
~tl
68kMLA Admin Emeritus
Although the Pismo has a physically bigger screen than the 12" iBooks, they both have a resolution of 1024x768. Therefore, you're not actually gaining any screen space by moving to the bigger screen. I personally prefer the slightly higher DPI that the 12" iBook offers over the 14" iBook or PowerBook.
madmax_2069
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Sorry if i missed if you did any of these or not.
have you tried to remove the video card and reseat it.
have you tried resetting Pram/Nvram by holding command+option+P+R at the start chime untill you hear the start chime 3 - 4 more times.
have you tried to go into Open firmware by holding command+option+O+F at the start chime and type
reset-all (press enter/return)
set-defaults (press enter/return)
reset-all (press enter/return)
after every command entered you should see OK (if you misspell a command it will say unknown word). if you seen no video wile doing this you can try to do it blind.
replace the video card with a known good Mac 8x AGP card.
have you pulled the Pram battery out of the machine and let it sit unplugged from the wall for a few hours (if you do this remember which way the battery goes back in), let it sit for a minimum of 3 or 4 hours.
have you tried removing all but one stick of ram (if it has more then one stick) and turn it on, repeat the step until you go through all of the sticks installed by themselves. also try different ram slots.
do you have any other cards installed in the Mac, if you do try removing them all but the video card to see if it helps.
there is a number of reasons why the video don't show when you power the unit on. these are only but a few trouble shooting steps for a Mac with issues to try to learn the reason why its having issues in the first place.
IIRC these first gen AGP G5's was sometimes troublesome.
right now a G4 upgraded pismo is the only G3 system that will run Leopard (altho a bit slowly due to its GPU and little Vram). i never had a Mac Laptop so i dont know much about them but by specs alone and what some people have done with them.
have you tried to remove the video card and reseat it.
have you tried resetting Pram/Nvram by holding command+option+P+R at the start chime untill you hear the start chime 3 - 4 more times.
have you tried to go into Open firmware by holding command+option+O+F at the start chime and type
reset-all (press enter/return)
set-defaults (press enter/return)
reset-all (press enter/return)
after every command entered you should see OK (if you misspell a command it will say unknown word). if you seen no video wile doing this you can try to do it blind.
replace the video card with a known good Mac 8x AGP card.
have you pulled the Pram battery out of the machine and let it sit unplugged from the wall for a few hours (if you do this remember which way the battery goes back in), let it sit for a minimum of 3 or 4 hours.
have you tried removing all but one stick of ram (if it has more then one stick) and turn it on, repeat the step until you go through all of the sticks installed by themselves. also try different ram slots.
do you have any other cards installed in the Mac, if you do try removing them all but the video card to see if it helps.
there is a number of reasons why the video don't show when you power the unit on. these are only but a few trouble shooting steps for a Mac with issues to try to learn the reason why its having issues in the first place.
IIRC these first gen AGP G5's was sometimes troublesome.
right now a G4 upgraded pismo is the only G3 system that will run Leopard (altho a bit slowly due to its GPU and little Vram). i never had a Mac Laptop so i dont know much about them but by specs alone and what some people have done with them.
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SiliconValleyPirate
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The original 500MHz iBook G3 Dual USB will boot OS9.1 - I own one so I should know, and all subsequent versions mad prior to January 2003 also do. In February 2003 Apple's newly released models (at MacWorld 2003 - iMac G4/800 15" and 1GHz 17") had the fix to stop booting of OS 9. Also all new machines built thereafter, *EXCEPT* the PowerMac, also would not boot OS 9. The PowerMacs continued to boot OS 9 for a while longer - I think they eventually stopped it with the FireWire 800 G4s. I know Apple Resellers were still selling G4 PowerMacs as late as early-2004 that booted into OS 9 for backwards compatibility for professionals who needed it, but these were back stocks and refurbs left over after the previous years G5 product rollout.
I think apart from the G4 PowerMac, the cut off was February/March 2003 somewhere. Doesn't anyone remember the 'OS 9 funeral' at MacWorld 2003??
As for the original problem it sounds to me like the graphics card is either faulty or its working loose as it heats up (or it could be both). Do you experience any lockups while using the computer or graphical glitches on the screen if you use the graphics card intensively (running Leopard and throwing a lot of windows around on the desktop usually does the trick). It may just be the card needs reseating in the graphics slot - it happens.
Replacing the card if it is faulty is a bit more of a challenge. G5 compatible graphics cards are hard to find, although you might get lucky and pick a lower spec one up off someone who is upgrading.
I think apart from the G4 PowerMac, the cut off was February/March 2003 somewhere. Doesn't anyone remember the 'OS 9 funeral' at MacWorld 2003??
As for the original problem it sounds to me like the graphics card is either faulty or its working loose as it heats up (or it could be both). Do you experience any lockups while using the computer or graphical glitches on the screen if you use the graphics card intensively (running Leopard and throwing a lot of windows around on the desktop usually does the trick). It may just be the card needs reseating in the graphics slot - it happens.
Replacing the card if it is faulty is a bit more of a challenge. G5 compatible graphics cards are hard to find, although you might get lucky and pick a lower spec one up off someone who is upgrading.
Just for completeness sake on the booting OS9 discussion...
To make things really interesting there are nearly identical models of G4 tower and G4 iMac which will and won't boot OS9.
For the tower, everything before the last G4 towers, the MDD (Mirror Drive Door) will boot OS9. Within the MDD, the ones with 800 Mbps Firewire cannot boot OS9 and the ones which lack 800 Mbps (two 400 Mbps ports only) can boot OS9.
If you have a photo of the back of a machine, it's pretty easy to see the 800 Mbps Firewire port and so identify the later machines. The later machine has exactly the same ports on the back as the early MDD, but it also has the 800 FW port.
The iMac is an even bigger pain to distinguish. There is an 800 MHz G$ 17" LCD model which will boot OS9 and one which won't. As far as I've been able to researh, the only difference between the two is the model number which was written on the box. The model number written on the bottom plate appears to be the same.
To make things really interesting there are nearly identical models of G4 tower and G4 iMac which will and won't boot OS9.
For the tower, everything before the last G4 towers, the MDD (Mirror Drive Door) will boot OS9. Within the MDD, the ones with 800 Mbps Firewire cannot boot OS9 and the ones which lack 800 Mbps (two 400 Mbps ports only) can boot OS9.
If you have a photo of the back of a machine, it's pretty easy to see the 800 Mbps Firewire port and so identify the later machines. The later machine has exactly the same ports on the back as the early MDD, but it also has the 800 FW port.
The iMac is an even bigger pain to distinguish. There is an 800 MHz G$ 17" LCD model which will boot OS9 and one which won't. As far as I've been able to researh, the only difference between the two is the model number which was written on the box. The model number written on the bottom plate appears to be the same.
bluekatt
Well-known member
as far as i know only the first two G4 imacs boot in to os 9
all the G3 ones do
the minis wont boot in os 9
and no idea about the emacs
this thread leads me to belive that we need a list of os 9 bootable machines
one thats easier to acces then the one on apple and less obtuse then mactracker because thats some what inconclusive
all the G3 ones do
the minis wont boot in os 9
and no idea about the emacs
this thread leads me to belive that we need a list of os 9 bootable machines
one thats easier to acces then the one on apple and less obtuse then mactracker because thats some what inconclusive
~tl
68kMLA Admin Emeritus
madmax_2069
Well-known member
i see this
PowerBook G4 (1GHz/867MHz) shows it has OS 9.2.2 support (but it has to be OS 9.2.2 before it will boot the installer or run the OS) system specific installer CD to run 9.2.2
and there is also a few other PB G4's that show OS support for (prolly also has to be a system specific install cd)
if that is what you was looking at
PowerBook G4 (1GHz/867MHz) shows it has OS 9.2.2 support (but it has to be OS 9.2.2 before it will boot the installer or run the OS) system specific installer CD to run 9.2.2
and there is also a few other PB G4's that show OS support for (prolly also has to be a system specific install cd)
if that is what you was looking at
bamdad
Well-known member
sorry for not relplying, my net connection was down and i had to assemble two imac g3's (the 233mhz version is definetly _not_ meant for upgrading, i had to take the whole motherboard out).
so,
so,
yes, with no success.
this was one of the first thing i did.
done.
thank you, trying these in a few hours. i really appreciate the noob-guide.
bamdad
Well-known member
another thing,
i have these imac g3's here, and the older one (233mhz) can boot into os 8.1 through 10.4. nice. it is really a pity that hellcats over the pacific will not run (blank screen on every powermac so far).
what i am trying to say is: not every specification is accurate, even from apple. 233's should only boot os 8.5 or 8.6 and later.
i have these imac g3's here, and the older one (233mhz) can boot into os 8.1 through 10.4. nice. it is really a pity that hellcats over the pacific will not run (blank screen on every powermac so far).
what i am trying to say is: not every specification is accurate, even from apple. 233's should only boot os 8.5 or 8.6 and later.
