Power Mac G5

[bamdad]

hi everybody,

this is my first post, and i am so glad i have found this forum. i think it is a great community. i have loved macs since my early childhood (i can still remember my father working on a IIci), and now, finally, after years of using pc's (yukk), hackintoshing and trying all sorts of emulators, i finally have a dual 2ghz g5.

enough of me, on to my questions:

firstly, the machine has been in use for a while, by sick bastards if you ask me - the inside was totally messed up with improperly inserted parts and dirt, the original os x loaded with useless crap etc., and sometimes behaves strangely.

when i turn it off for the night and turn it on next morning, it gives the startup sound, starts to boot, i can even enter my password and it continues to do something. i guess it boots just fine, but my monitor gets no signal. after turning it off and on again a few times (2-3 times) it boots just fine.

if it has been on for a while and i restart it, or shut it down and start it up again, it boots fine too.

tried zapping pram, installed the latest firmware, tried another monitor. nothing seems to work. could somebody help me..?

secondly, i stumbled upon something at tidbits called 'countdown g5' which would enable booting into os 9, but the link points to a dead site. does anybody have this or are there other chances for my g5 to use os 9 natively?

sorry for being this lengthy.

thank you

 

[bluekatt]

the last powermacs that could boot in to os 9 were the G4 towers a quicksilver or an MDD i think not sure i dont really use os 9

sounds like a loose sitting video port or a flaky video card tried replacing it yet ?

 

[bamdad]

here is the article, see for yourself: http://db.tidbits.com/article/7617

it is some sort of a firmware up (or more probably down-) grade.

the card is an ati radeon 9600 pro with dvi, my sony tft is connected through a dvi>vga converter, but i double-checked the cables and they are not broken, neither are the connectors loose. i will replace the card this night, and tomorrow morning i will get back to you. thanks.

 

[bluekatt]

hmm not keen to try that with my imac G5

it could be that the converter is dying i have a converter that makes the screen pinkish unless you jiggle the cable

might as wel try a cheapish vidcard just to make sure you arent chasing ghosts

 

[bamdad]

well, i have lots of classic stuff and i hate the classic environment. might be good for some word processors, but hey, even prince of persia is sluggish. currently i am dual-booting panther (with classic) and leopard, but i can't stand less than full backward compatibility. call me obsessed.

the cable is fine, i can move it anyway i want. must be something else. i have a nice little 32meg card from my father's g4, i will try that.

 

[bluekatt]

that 32 mb card sounds fine to test it if it doesnt happen any more you found the culprit if it does we got a problem

 

[~tl]

here is the article, see for yourself: http://db.tidbits.com/article/7617it is some sort of a firmware up (or more probably down-) grade.

Check the date that the article was posted...

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[bamdad]

here is the article, see for yourself: http://db.tidbits.com/article/7617it is some sort of a firmware up (or more probably down-) grade.

Check the date that the article was posted...

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that is why i asked if anyone still has it. ;D

 

[bluekatt]

..err there is a warning on top of it

that article is a hoax if you want native os9 booting

you need to look in to G4's and G3's

 

[bamdad]

..that article is a hoax..

certainly not. i did some research: http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx/TidBITS/Talk/66

if it is incompatible with anything it must be real. it might be useless and destructive, but that is for me to find out after having found it and before doing something foolish.

 

[~tl]

..that article is a hoax..

certainly not. i did some research: http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx/TidBITS/Talk/66

if it is incompatible with anything it must be real. it might be useless and destructive, but that is for me to find out after having found it and before doing something foolish.

Again, check the date on both articles (and the disclaimer at the top of the first one for that matter). It's an April Fools' joke...

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[bamdad]

i guess you are right. this explains why i cannot fint anything useful on that.. sorry. :I

 

[bluekatt]

so olde rmacs it has to be

im not sure if dual usb ibooks boot in to os 9 or not

 

[bamdad]

it should depend on the processor, as i have heared, so if it is a g4 it should boot os 9. but why ask?

i am planning to get a g4 ibook or macbook, but currently i cannot afford it.

 

[~tl]

The G3 iBooks will boot into OS 9 but the G4 ones won't...

 

[bluekatt]

the dual usb ones boot into 9 as wel ?

i know for sure that the G4 towers wil boot in 9

a macbook wil never ever boot in 9

 

[The Macster]

it should depend on the processor, as i have heared, so if it is a g4 it should boot os 9. but why ask?

It doesn't depend on the processor so much as the age of the machine, as Apple put something in the firmware of machines built just after OS X 10.2 was released that stopped them from booting 9, so while nearly all the G4 towers are 9-compatible, the iBooks didn't get the G4 until much later so no G4 iBooks can run 9, whereas all G3s can. It's worth checking MacTracker as it tells you exactly what OSes all Macs can run - all G3s can run 9 and no G5s can, but G4s are a mixture depending on their age.

 

[bamdad]

oh, sh*t. so that means i will never be booting up mac os 9 until i find some hi-fi firmware hackers who are interested in discontinued os's on discontinued machines.. and let us admit it, that would be a real april fool's day joke. in other words i am stuck with sheepshaver (which happens to work better on leopard than apple's own classic on panther ).

btw, does anybody have a solution for my first problem? sorry for the nag but i have just tested with another video card and my g5 still only boots up for the 2nd or 3rd try after 15-20 minutes of power off.

 

[bamdad]

bluekatt: 'dual usb' (according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBook) should be a g3, so it must boot os 9.