So My new old computer arrived today and it's a LC475. The seller didn't mention that it had an ethernet port so that was a nice surprise! Got it hooked up to the router but no active connection is shown on the router. Not really being familer with modern macs let alone classic ones I am a little stumped! Any advice would be much appreciated! I am running system 7.6.1 and have open transport 1.0 installed which I understand is important (although for what reason I have no idea!)
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MAC LC475 arrived, discovered it has ethernet...now what
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markyb86
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It's common that the ethernet cards in older macs don't play nice with newer network equipment. My SE's ethernet card doesn't like my gigabit router but works just fine with an 10mbps linksys switch in the middle.
The exact recommendation I have for you that I know has a 99% chance to work in your favor is a passive ethernet hub that is only 10mbps. if you have a switch or hub try it out.
Turning the port on the router down to 10mbps hasn't worked for me but it might work for you.
The problem is the cards don't understand the switching between 10/100/1000 but if there isn't switching involved then theoretically it works.
Also OpenTransport is the newer TCP/IP subsystem that replaced MacTCP . OT that was used from (I believe) 7.5 till 9.2.2 (some early OSX had it for compatibility).
The exact recommendation I have for you that I know has a 99% chance to work in your favor is a passive ethernet hub that is only 10mbps. if you have a switch or hub try it out.
Turning the port on the router down to 10mbps hasn't worked for me but it might work for you.
The problem is the cards don't understand the switching between 10/100/1000 but if there isn't switching involved then theoretically it works.
Also OpenTransport is the newer TCP/IP subsystem that replaced MacTCP . OT that was used from (I believe) 7.5 till 9.2.2 (some early OSX had it for compatibility).
Trying to find the power cord for my old router, I was using a wireless to ethernet adapter http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5454977/art/netgear/wnce2001-100pes-universal.html?amp%3Bnopopup=1&gclid=CLqmkbn5p7cCFe3LtAodM2cAmQ#srcid=11270 which might of been a step to far I guess! There was no activity on the led. I don't need to "connect" in any way do I? I have selected ethernet in the tcp/ip settings. Should it in theory just work as it does on modern machines? Eg Plug in Ethernet, fire up browser and away you go?
markyb86
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In that case uniserver was right. manually give it an ip address, subnet mask and your routers dns settings (or google dns 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4)
(the brige can be configured wia web browser on another machine first, power down and plug into mac. then set the settings on mac in control panel, TCP/IP iirc)
I have a ethernet to wireless bridge as well and it was how I originally connected my SE and G3 to the router.
(the brige can be configured wia web browser on another machine first, power down and plug into mac. then set the settings on mac in control panel, TCP/IP iirc)
I have a ethernet to wireless bridge as well and it was how I originally connected my SE and G3 to the router.
Ok cool, will give that a go shortly, just wanted to check the fact I have open transport 1.0 wont be a problem? I'mtrying to find the 1.1.2/3 floppy images online but not having much luck. Most seem to be in a compression format that my windows pc can't deal with. I don't have any modern macs to extract and write them on.
Mk.558
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No. 7.5.x was unique in the ability to run either MacTCP or OpenTransport. The switcher application is unique to 7.5 and will not work with any earlier version or any later version of System 7.
7.6 and up included OT in the software and does not use MacTCP. I've never tried to "force" MacTCP onto 7.6, though.
OP, the link in my signature should explain most elements relevant to you. For 7.5.3 up to 8.1, use OT 1.3. It all depends on what you'd like to do though.
The only time I use DHCP is for Macs that access the internet. All others benefit greatly from using manually assigned IP addy's. MacTCP does not support DHCP, although it does support some cryptic "Server" setting, but you don't need it to go online.
For writing disk images, the Working with Disk Images section should be helpful. Short story: Windows -- use Rawrite and NDIF disk images. OS X - $ dd for DC 4.2 or NDIF images. DU or DC can work with NDIF images. Only a machine with a built-in FDD or compatible external can work with 800Ks.
Mk.558
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FWIW, as part of the Guide I actually never tested OT 1.1.2 in 7.1 Pro. While it might be able to offer some benefits, the reality is MacTCP can do most of what these machines can do anyways.
In my opinion, based on what I know now, 7.5.x isn't even necessary unless 10.4 AFP support is required. Otherwise, it's rather slow and has a ravenous appetite for memory and disk space. Comparison: 7.0.1 with MacTCP and some other utilities on my former SE/30 was 6.5MB. The 7.5.5 System Folder with OT 1.3, AS 3.7.4 and a few widgets was close to 30MB.
If all you have is an SE FDHD with a stock Conner 40MB drive, that would be a pincher.
But for a LC475, it's probably not that much of a deal. I must confess though that 7.0/7.1 touched my heart as a "lovable" OS. It wasn't awesome on floppies like System 6 was, neither did it have the speed of System 6, but it wasn't gluttonous like 7.5. I found it easy to like 7.0/7.1.
In my opinion, based on what I know now, 7.5.x isn't even necessary unless 10.4 AFP support is required. Otherwise, it's rather slow and has a ravenous appetite for memory and disk space. Comparison: 7.0.1 with MacTCP and some other utilities on my former SE/30 was 6.5MB. The 7.5.5 System Folder with OT 1.3, AS 3.7.4 and a few widgets was close to 30MB.
If all you have is an SE FDHD with a stock Conner 40MB drive, that would be a pincher.
But for a LC475, it's probably not that much of a deal. I must confess though that 7.0/7.1 touched my heart as a "lovable" OS. It wasn't awesome on floppies like System 6 was, neither did it have the speed of System 6, but it wasn't gluttonous like 7.5. I found it easy to like 7.0/7.1.
Brett B.
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Just out of curiosity, have you verified that in your network control panel, it's set to connect via Ethernet instead of one of the serial ports? Also in the AppleTalk control panel, set that to Ethernet as well.
You either have an incorrect setting somewhere or missing software. I have had about a dozen LC475s over the years with a variety of ethernet cards and operating systems and have never once had a problem connecting to any type of hub or switch. In fact the LC475 I have at the present is connected to my HP ProCurve gigabit switch and it works just fine.
You either have an incorrect setting somewhere or missing software. I have had about a dozen LC475s over the years with a variety of ethernet cards and operating systems and have never once had a problem connecting to any type of hub or switch. In fact the LC475 I have at the present is connected to my HP ProCurve gigabit switch and it works just fine.
Brett B.
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This one?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dayna-LC-ASIC-Ethernet-Network-Card-BD-030-Rev-E-/190803570614?nma=true&si=NCMMpxT2jFThaJBhCZNyIkeS%252Bj8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Odd that you don't get a light. Usually they'll light up regardless if you have drivers installed or not. I have used that card before and have not needed drivers for it.
Have you tried just doing a clean system software install? Somewhat drastic but like I said, I have never needed a specific driver for that card.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dayna-LC-ASIC-Ethernet-Network-Card-BD-030-Rev-E-/190803570614?nma=true&si=NCMMpxT2jFThaJBhCZNyIkeS%252Bj8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Odd that you don't get a light. Usually they'll light up regardless if you have drivers installed or not. I have used that card before and have not needed drivers for it.
Have you tried just doing a clean system software install? Somewhat drastic but like I said, I have never needed a specific driver for that card.
onlyonemac
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You could also try booting from a floppy to test it if you don't want to reinstall the system software.
bse5150
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There's usually two LEDS but some NICs have only one. The LED should light when a connection is established and blink when there is activity. Since your LED does not light up it is due to one of two reasons:
1) Your NIC is not connecting to your router/switch/hub, or
2) Your NIC is not functioning properly.
There is no software solution required at this point. You first need to get a connection to a router/switch/hub. Until that LED lights up there is nothing you can do on the software side to get your LC475 connected.
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