How do you feel about the logging of the #68kmla irc room? The idea would be to log the room with the logs broken up by day such that should the room ever deteriorate to a state of non-usefulness it would be possible to make the logs public so that information shared in the room is not lost forever. Since there are others who have been there much longer then me that are logging the room for private usage it would be quite possible to do this such that there could be a backup of sorts of all the useful vintage mac info shared in the room that could be referred to if the above mentioned event ever happens.
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How do you feel about the logging of the #68kmla irc room?
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MultiFinder
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I have 24/7 logs for a few months on my server somewhere... Unless I lost them 
I think it's fine, just don't use thingums without permission, and don't use them to publicly embarrass someone.
I think it's fine, just don't use thingums without permission, and don't use them to publicly embarrass someone.
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I am for logging it, I have a log of it, but I am against posting the logs online. I am not against using the logs as a source for an infobase or kbase, but you'd need to reword the stuff, cite the logfile as the source, and remove the names of the participants of the chat session.
LCGuy
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
I think logging of any internet conversations is a good idea...for example, i save transcripts of just about every IM conversation i have, in case i need it some day for reference. But as with Cory, i'm against making those logs public unless its for a very good reason.
IPNixon
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Logging the channel chat is a great idea. I've had to go back into these logs various times to get bits of info. Making them public, though, is not such a good idea. This may be considered a violation of privacy to some (even though it's a public channel).
Keeping private logs is your choice and your business. If you choose to do so, don't make them public, unless (as stated above) that there's some awesomely extreme reason it has to be online.
Keeping private logs is your choice and your business. If you choose to do so, don't make them public, unless (as stated above) that there's some awesomely extreme reason it has to be online.
iamdigitalman
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I have logs dating back to January of this year, if anyone wants them.
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John8520
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I agree, logging personally, and some private distribtion is fine, but posting all of the logs publicly is a bad idea. I myself have several months of undernet logs, and logs of everything on the freenode channel since it was formed.
The ammount of nonsense compared to the ammount of good, wholesome, 68k realted imformation that goes through there is so insane it's not even funny. Putting it up publicly would just be a waste of time to read and post. If you want some info from the channel, how about you stop by anyways? It's not hard at all.
The ammount of nonsense compared to the ammount of good, wholesome, 68k realted imformation that goes through there is so insane it's not even funny. Putting it up publicly would just be a waste of time to read and post. If you want some info from the channel, how about you stop by anyways? It's not hard at all.
heebiejeebies
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Yeah, mainly because of me!! ;D
I know I've had some very personal discussions on that channel which I'm sure the people involved would not want available for all and sundry to see, and especially not coming up in search engines.
That said, anyone who chats on IRC should assume that anything you say can and will be shouted from the rooftops. People who give away personal details on there are crazy. Especially with weirdos like me hanging around!
SiliconValleyPirate
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IRC chat rooms have a habit of descending into meaningless drivel after a while
Erm, yes, as an IRC admin of some vintage who's been in the centre of several flamewars I can advise logs are critical for the admin to be able to have a clear idea who was guilty and why. If your occupants are not comfortable with the idea then they can always use PMs to talk about sensitive stuff.
Erm, yes, as an IRC admin of some vintage who's been in the centre of several flamewars I can advise logs are critical for the admin to be able to have a clear idea who was guilty and why. If your occupants are not comfortable with the idea then they can always use PMs to talk about sensitive stuff.
Dan 7.1
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well i mean its public anyways...if they wanted privacy they could just go to another channel lol.
i think its a basic problem of "supposed anonymity", i mean i'm sure there are client-side loggers already in action AND since most of the time the conversation turns into an elongated "UR M0M" joke i don't really see the harm in server-side logging.
i think its a basic problem of "supposed anonymity", i mean i'm sure there are client-side loggers already in action AND since most of the time the conversation turns into an elongated "UR M0M" joke i don't really see the harm in server-side logging.
gobabushka
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i think its a great idea, aside from all of the good info we all have gotten from irc, there's been so many good laughs! IPNixon corpses for all!!!!!
John8520
Well-known member
Whoever took of the responsibility of logging it would also have to be the one that cleared all the crap out from the 'good stuff'. Instead of logging in there, people should just put more time into putting the usefull information on the wiki.
As for using logs to decipher flame wars, erm, that's pointless, seeing as flamewars don't happen in there. There are small squalls from time to time, but they blow over after an hour or so. If flamewars did happen, it should be a channel opeators responsibility to look over their own logs (or to request logs from a bystander of said flamewar) and then the op can do what they feel needs to be done.
I am inclined to leave #68kmla if public logging occurs.
As for using logs to decipher flame wars, erm, that's pointless, seeing as flamewars don't happen in there. There are small squalls from time to time, but they blow over after an hour or so. If flamewars did happen, it should be a channel opeators responsibility to look over their own logs (or to request logs from a bystander of said flamewar) and then the op can do what they feel needs to be done.
I am inclined to leave #68kmla if public logging occurs.
Public Logging never works out well. Every channel we trialed it in ended up failing due to the insecurity of the users. Sometimes even private logging can be a problem, because it still ends up on someone's hard disk and too often i've seen it abused.
I know that in a rough time I had earlier in the year, some of the channel users were extremely supportive and offered words of wisdom. Nice as they were, I sure as hell would hate to know that discussion was being logged.
If something useful comes up in the channel, then that portion of the discussion can be clipped and placed in to the wiki or somewhere else. We don't need channel logging, the channel is peaceful enough as-is. At the very least the channel should remain the same as it is now.
Voted "No, Bad Idea". I too am inclined to leave if Public Logging passes, but any changes to the current setup which affect our privacy will do the same. I don't think anyone will care if they lose me, but I don't think i'm the only one who would feel this way about the situation should it occur.
I know that in a rough time I had earlier in the year, some of the channel users were extremely supportive and offered words of wisdom. Nice as they were, I sure as hell would hate to know that discussion was being logged.
If something useful comes up in the channel, then that portion of the discussion can be clipped and placed in to the wiki or somewhere else. We don't need channel logging, the channel is peaceful enough as-is. At the very least the channel should remain the same as it is now.
Voted "No, Bad Idea". I too am inclined to leave if Public Logging passes, but any changes to the current setup which affect our privacy will do the same. I don't think anyone will care if they lose me, but I don't think i'm the only one who would feel this way about the situation should it occur.
Unknown_K
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I voted not a good idea because most of the chatting in the official forum is juvenile. If you want to wade through 1000 lines of masterbation jokes, sister and mother put downs, and twisted slang to get 1 line of usefull advice go ahead.
As far as imac600 goes, if you don't want what you said recorded then maybe you should think for a nanosecond before you open your mouth.
As far as imac600 goes, if you don't want what you said recorded then maybe you should think for a nanosecond before you open your mouth.
4seasonphoto
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I think logging is a great idea because 6 years from now as some of you are applying for your first real job, your prospective employers will be able to see what you were like when you were 12 [] ]'>
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SiliconValleyPirate
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I didn't realise you intended the logs to be public. I've never agreed with public posting of IRC logs or sections from them unless all concerned parties involved in that section of the log are consulted and give permission first. The IRC channel I currently admin has a 'chat quotes' collection that has the classic moments from the past logged in it, but we all reached a consensus that it should be publicly logged for posterity at the time in most cases, and furthermore anyone could raise an objection and have a quote removed or their part censored if required - although no-one ever has to my knowledge.
Private logging is only a duty for a mature and trustworthy individual. That might cause an issue around here *ducks to avoid the hail of flying Windows CDs*
Private logging is only a duty for a mature and trustworthy individual. That might cause an issue around here
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