Hope this is a simple one??

[ChrisW381]

Hi guys… so hopefully this is a simple one… recently restored and recapped 8Meg SE30 with System 7.5 and 300 Meg HDD.

So I cannot set the date to beyond 2019 ?everything else like time etc all good so far and it retains it.

Any pearls of wisdom appreciated

Thanks

Chris

 

[LaPorta]

You need the 2020 Patch. See here:

2020Patch - Macintosh Garden

Vintage Mac 2020 fixes Vintage Macs are now suffering from problems setting the date to 2020 and beyond, often referred to as a Y2K20 Bug. There is an existing solution, bbraun's free SetDate utility, which is functional, but not a familiar way to set the time on a Mac.

macintoshgarden.org

 

[ChrisW381]

Many thanks for the quick reply…. so another daft question, how do I get the patch onto the SE30 as it has no network etc? It has a floppy drive so presumably I need to get it onto one of those… what capacity floppies do I need as I do have a usb drive that will fit my iMac?

 

[LaPorta]

This is a more involved question. What other machines do you have? Is this the only old Mac, and your other machines are PCs/newer? It sounds like you have an iMac: what vintage, what system? At the least, with the SE/30 running 7.5, it can read PC formatted floppies. so that will be of benefit to you. As you said, the machine is recapped/restored: did that include a floppy drive overhaul?

 

[ChrisW381]

Many thanks and yes everything checked a cleaned etc it reads my System 7 floppies as a test. So a 1.44 meg floppy can be read by the SE30 then? If so I will pull off the patch onto a floppy, what system should I format them to?

 

[rjkucia]

A few common methods:
1) 1.44 Floppy Drive - pretty easy to get floppies & a USB drive. If you have a newer computer, format these as PC/IBM/FAT format. If you have another old Mac, you can use HFS. Works well for small files occasionally, works poorly for large files/frequent transfers.
2) SCSI emulator - Several options (BlueSCSI, PiSCSI, SCSI2SD, etc etc), costs vary but in the $50-100 range. Not as easy and cheap as a plain old floppy, but you can effectively replace your SE/30's HDD, which is appealing. Not great for just transferring one or two files (we can talk more about that if we get to it), but a great long-term investment for classic Mac collecting.
3) Floppy emulator - Like 1, but more expensive, and easier for lots of files.
4) Networking - You'd need hardware for this, such as a PiSCSI (mentioned above), and old-school SCSI adapter ($$), or a PDS card ($$$). Networking is by far the easiest way to transfer files (barring very large files, which in some cases can be easier with #2), but takes money and time to set up.

 

[AndyO]

A PC formatted 1.4Mb floppy will be good - none of my USB floppy drives will read a Mac formatted disk, even on a Mac.

Download the .sit copy of the patch on your iMac, and copy it as it is to the floppy. Put the floppy in the SE/30 and copy the file to that machine.

Assuming you have a working copy of Stuffit Expander on the SE/30, you can double-click the .sit file, or drop it onto the Stuffit Expander program icon, and it will expand it. You can then install it.

 

[LaPorta]

I’m also just wondering what iMac/system you have. I forget what system dropped HFS writing support. But, that would be a limitation for Mac floppies. PC ones would be fine.

As for USB floppy drives, if one wants Mac-compatibility, you can find an Imation USB SuperDisk Drive. Those do Mac 1.4s.

 

[Nixontheknight]

You need the 2020 Patch. See here:

2020Patch - Macintosh Garden

Vintage Mac 2020 fixes Vintage Macs are now suffering from problems setting the date to 2020 and beyond, often referred to as a Y2K20 Bug. There is an existing solution, bbraun's free SetDate utility, which is functional, but not a familiar way to set the time on a Mac.

macintoshgarden.org

you can also use a control panel called SetDate, made by someone here in 68kmla, I don't exactly remember which member made it though

 

[Phipli]

I don't exactly remember which member made it though

bbraun

 

[Nixontheknight]

and another alternative is using the Network Time control panel, which allows you to connect to an NTP server (such as time.nist.gov), which should set the time on startup if it is off by even a few seconds

 

[LaPorta]

Does that work on 7.5?

 

[Nixontheknight]

Does that work on 7.5?

It worked on OS 8.1, so it should work on 7.5, as long as it has open transport

 

[ironborn65]

I’m also just wondering what iMac/system you have. I forget what system dropped HFS writing support. But, that would be a limitation for Mac floppies. PC ones would be fine.

As for USB floppy drives, if one wants Mac-compatibility, you can find an Imation USB SuperDisk Drive. Those do Mac 1.4s.

Hi mate,
BTW: which modern Macs supports the Imation superdrive?

 

[LaPorta]

Probably all I’d think, but I haven’t tried.

 

[Phipli]

Just double checking you'rr aware that even when connected to a Mac, most USB floppy drives won't read/write Mac formatted disk, so like mentioned, you'll need to use a PC formatted disk.

Read more of the thread. You sound like you're sorted.

 

[ironborn65]

Given the spec, the Imation SuperDisk should support MFM

 

[s_pupp]

Regarding the question of which OS dropped HFS (not HFS+) write support, I found this info in my archives:

“Apple officially dropped write support of HFS since OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), the same time they dropped support for the Classic environment. The Classic environment for those who doesn't know is what's needed to run OS 9 (and older) apps and was part of OS X since 10.0. But there is a way to get HFS write support back using FuseHFS! Here's how:
Uninstall everything that has to do with FuseHFS if you already messed around and proceed exactly as follows:
1. Install MacFUSE 2.1.9
2. Install the latest FuseHFS
3. Install the latest OSXFUSE without MacFUSE Compatibility Layer
4. Reboot”

That was for Snow Leopard, but I’ve used it on much newer versions of the MacOS on a since-damaged MBP.

As I understand it, there is the possibility of support in Monterey, but with the provision that the drivers were installed on an earlier version of the MacOS. I’m sorry, but I don’t have relevant URLs handy.

 

[Nixontheknight]

Regarding the question of which OS dropped HFS (not HFS+) write support, I found this info in my archives:

“Apple officially dropped write support of HFS since OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), the same time they dropped support for the Classic environment. The Classic environment for those who doesn't know is what's needed to run OS 9 (and older) apps and was part of OS X since 10.0. But there is a way to get HFS write support back using FuseHFS! Here's how:
Uninstall everything that has to do with FuseHFS if you already messed around and proceed exactly as follows:
1. Install MacFUSE 2.1.9
2. Install the latest FuseHFS
3. Install the latest OSXFUSE without MacFUSE Compatibility Layer
4. Reboot”

That was for Snow Leopard, but I’ve used it on much newer versions of the MacOS on a since-damaged MBP.

As I understand it, there is the possibility of support in Monterey, but with the provision that the drivers were installed on an earlier version of the MacOS. I’m sorry, but I don’t have relevant URLs handy.

correction, they dropped support for the Classic environment in 10.5, not 10.6

 

[mikes-macs]

If you’d like I can send you a floppy with The 2020 patch. Simple as that.

I have “Network Time” working in System 6.0.8 with MacTCP on a bootable Floppy.
I surmise if you have Networking setup for time then you would just transfer the needed files from the iMac. Kinda like the chicken and the egg.