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Struggling with Performa 6360--need help

mloret

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Oh that was very kind of you to offer to help me earlier despite your being in the middle of a move.

That’s interesting that the board is from a 6500. How can you tell them apart? Or did you just remember?

So here is a stupid question for you…what makes a G3 a G3? Aren’t they all just PPC’s? Is the G3 just a set of later PPC’s that are faster? And the. G4, G5…

I finally managed to get my 6360 to reliably perform basic tasks. I have it running using the stock IDE hard drive and a Zuluscsi to transfer software from my Hackintosh to it. But here’s my problem—I tried to set it up with an IDE to SD adapter but haven’t been able to get it to run reliably. It either freezes or I get an error -199 when I try to run shit. What the hell is error -199? It’s annoying. So far I have tried a different SD card and I have also tried overwrite formatting the card. Neither had any noticeable impact. You have any experience working with these?

Michael
 

mloret

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Anyone in this thread on this thread have experience troubleshooting an errant IDE to SD adapter? I am using a Sandisk sd card I picked up at Walmart. Maybe that’s the problem? Or the ide connection in my computer. The 1.2GB hd works perfectly though 🤔
 

Phipli

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That’s interesting that the board is from a 6500. How can you tell them apart?
The 6500 board is a different board. Obvious differences include : it has Rage IIc video chip and it has no soldered RAM
So here is a stupid question for you…what makes a G3 a G3? Aren’t they all just PPC’s? Is the G3 just a set of later PPC’s that are faster? And the. G4, G5…
They're different sub families. PowerPC is a huge family like Intel and AMD x86 chips. The PowerPC 603e is a specific model found in most 6x00s. G3 is Apple branding for a group of related models. The G3 (most likely a PowerPC750 of some type, but not exclusively) isn't a 603e the same way a Ford Mondeo isn't a Ford Grenada. They're both PowerPCs, and even have some similarities, but they're not the same design.
 
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Fizzbinn

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Oh that was very kind of you to offer to help me earlier despite your being in the middle of a move.

That’s interesting that the board is from a 6500. How can you tell them apart? Or did you just remember?

So here is a stupid question for you…what makes a G3 a G3? Aren’t they all just PPC’s? Is the G3 just a set of later PPC’s that are faster? And the. G4, G5…

I finally managed to get my 6360 to reliably perform basic tasks. I have it running using the stock IDE hard drive and a Zuluscsi to transfer software from my Hackintosh to it. But here’s my problem—I tried to set it up with an IDE to SD adapter but haven’t been able to get it to run reliably. It either freezes or I get an error -199 when I try to run shit. What the hell is error -199? It’s annoying. So far I have tried a different SD card and I have also tried overwrite formatting the card. Neither had any noticeable impact. You have any experience working with these?

Michael

There is so much trivia in this hobby...

I saw the ATI graphics chip on the logic board, the 6360/5400/6400 logic boards use an Apple graphics chip with only 1MB of VRAM, the 5500/6500 boards use a ATI Rage II graphics chip with 2MB of VRAM. They are all interchangeable in their respective case chassis. Important note that all other 63xx Macs other than the 6360 are an older architecture that doesn't supply 3.3v power needed by the later boards.

In regard to what makes PPC's different its about progress over the ~10 years Apple used that CPU architecture and kinda aligns with the PC world x86 Pentium I/II/III/IV CPU's increase in capability and performance.

The first 1994 Power Macintosh 6100 had a 60 MHz PPC 601 "G1" CPU, the last 2005 Power Macintosh G5 had 2x dual core 2.5GHz PPC "G5" CPUs.

PowerPC (PPC):
G1: PPC 601, 60-120Mhz​
G2: PPC 603/PPC 604, 120-350Mhz​
G3: PPC 750, 233-900Mhz​
G4: PPC 7400, 350-1.42GHz​
G5: PPC 970, 1.6-2.7GHz​
 
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jajan547

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Here's what I did when mounting my IDE to SD I believe it's a standard SCSI2SD or IDE to CF bracket I found on thingiverse. Anyway I mounted the drive to that and that to the drive sled.
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badCaps

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I had the same molex and mounting issues when I wanted to install the ide adapter in my 6360 so I drew up and printed a custom bracket that just barely fits without stressing the power wires. I'll see if i can dig up the stl file and post it here.


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pizzigri

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I did the same, but instead of over stressing the ide cable and power connector, I used a small extension normally used to power PC floppy drives to connect to the smaller power input on the SD2IDE board. Then, I remembered that I got some time ago a kit of DIL headers for the Raspberry Pi, that have the exact same footprint and removed the vertical header and replaced it with a 90^ one, to mimic a standard HD. I just snipped away one of the pins on the new header. Last but not least, I used a cheap SD extender cable from AliExpress to make it easy to replace the SD card without having to remove the sled at all.... sorry no pics at this time, I don’t have here the machine.
 

mloret

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Thank you for the tips! Unfortunately what I have found is that when I try to use the IDE to SD adapter, the computer is very unstable. It either doesn’t completely boot, freezes or bombs out. How does one trouble shoot this device? I have tried the download from Phil’s website, tried different OS, and I also tried different SD cards (most recently tried a Sandisk). Could that still be the problem? Now what?
 

mloret

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I said F the ide to sd adapter. Ide HDD is working great! Who needs a cd drive when you can have zuluscsi?

What’s the best MacOS to run in the 6360? I am running 7.6.1. I upgraded from 7,5,3. Mistake?

M
 

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badCaps

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Made a v2 but have to wait 24 hours to publish it on thingiverse. I'll post the link tomorrow.

Just added a thin layer to the bottom. This is to prevent the power leads on the board from grounding out if by some odd chance the board flexed enough during install/removal when the machine was on.

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treellama

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OS choice on that machine is really just a matter of taste. It’ll handle 7.5-8.6 just fine. I’d only put 9 on there if you need USB, FireWire, or OpenGL.
 

mloret

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Yeah it’s just what’s on board. This thing needed ALOT of work when I got it. I’m just happy the POS boots. 😬
 

pizzigri

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On my 6500 in 6200 case I installed 8.6, I was afraid to hit a hard limit with 9.1 because of the 128mb maximum that the board can take. Would 9.1 be better than 8.6 in this machine?
 

Phipli

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On my 6500 in 6200 case I installed 8.6, I was afraid to hit a hard limit with 9.1 because of the 128mb maximum that the board can take. Would 9.1 be better than 8.6 in this machine?
8.6 is a lot more lightweight than 9.1. Unless I was using a lot of USB and a late ATI video card (9200), I'd stick with 8.6.

Most subsystems like FW, USB, OpenGL, sprockets etc etc all work in 8.6 anyway. It feels more stable too.
 
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