Help with TCP/IP, OT and OS 7.6

[mraroid]

Hummm.  Well, I tried 192.168.1.254.  Same issue as before. 

I think my network card is suppose to have it's light lit up and it is not.  I might have another network card here .  I will look for it and swap it out just to test....

I will report back.

Thanks again for all the good help and tips.

mraroid

 

[jhorvath911]

If you aren't getting a link light on network card add a 10mbit hub in between router and computer. The auto sensing doesn't work a lot of times on newer routers with these old cards.

 

[mraroid]

Jhorvath911.....  Thank you for that good tip.  I will try to find a 10mbit hub and give that a try.  I think the light should be green and on in the ethernet card in the color classic.  But the light is not on.  This sounds like a good thing to try.

Thanks!

jack

 

[GerrySch]

In my router there is a range of IP addresses assigned to DHCP and that's from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.99.  If I manually assign an IP address to a device on the network, it is outside of that range, meaning 192.168.100 to 192.168.1.254 (do not use 255).  I do this to keep a service like a printer or an FTP server at a fixed location because under DHCP if I restart the router, the assigned IP addresses could change.  

Also, as a clarification, my Asante EN/SC ethernet box is connected to an Asante FriendlyNet 10baseT Hub.  That in turn connects to a Linksys/Cisco 100/1000baseT switch which through a wireless extender connects to the Cable modem router in the living room.  If you have a 10baseT hub, try plugging your cable into the uplink port instead of a regular port and see if you get a link light.  This is a crossover port so the transmit and receive pairs are reversed.  I believe your router ports should be auto-sensing so it will figure out the connection automatically to your hub.

I looked at what you entered for DNS servers in the Mac, the last octet of second DNS IP address should be 18, not 181.  Your first DNS address is correct so that shouldn't cause you an issues but something I noticed.

Gerry

 

[mraroid]

I have a green light!  Yea!
 
Thanks everyone for the many tips.  I bypassed a router and a smart hub and plugged the Color Classic into the box left for me by the local telco. As soon as I did that, I had a green light on the ethernet adapter in the Color Classic. I rebooted.
 
I set up TCP/IP the best I could and I still receive this error message when ever I try to go someplace with Netscape:

"Netscape is unable to locate the server..  The server dose not have a DNS entry. Check the server name and URL and try again".
 
I rebooted again.
 
So I am back to thinking I have something screwed up in TCP/IP.  Could some of you look at the photo enclosed and let me know if you see a typo or some other error?
 
Should I have something in the empty box called "Search Domains" in tcp/ip?
 
Thanks so much!  I am so close now!
 
mraroid

 

[jefframsey]

Try changing the Name Server addr: field to only this IP: 8.8.8.8

That is a public DNS server on the Internet. Search domains should be ok to be blank. That setting is telling your computer which domain names it doesn't need to use a DNS server for. If you entered 'apple.com' in Search domains field, your computer would try to browse the local network for any computer with an apple.com domain, like host1.apple.com, www.apple.com or itunes.apple.com. So leaving this blank will be ok. or you can put in a phony domain like 'local.local'

But try that 'Name server addr: 8.8.8.8'

 

[jhorvath911]

If you're now connecting to the router provided from cable company you need to make sure that it doesn't have different gateway etc compared to router you were plugging into previously.

 

[mraroid]

jefframsey....I tried your suggestion.  When I try to save tcp/ip after the change, I received a error message that says:

"Routers must be on the same subnet as your machine. Based on your IP address and subset mask, router 192.168.1.1 is not on your subnet, and therefor can not be used."

Jhovath911......

Great idea.  I will move a computer to the room with the router left by the telco and do a ipconfig /all command and see what I come up with.

I will report back.

Thank you gentleman.

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

I have been using google to try to fix my problem with addressing.  No luck.  I did take a laptop into the room with the router left by my telco.  See the two enclosed photos for that information when I run ipconfig /all.
 
The default gateway and DHCP server are the same - 192.168.1.1  I tried entering this information into tcp/ip (version 1.1.1) .  When I launch Netscape it says it can't find the DNS entry and to check my URL.
 
I have a solid green light on my network card now that it is plugged directly into the router that the telco left me. 
 
I am not sure what to try next.  Gez!  Is it this hard for everyone on old Macs?  Or is this just me?
 
Thanks for the many suggestions and help.
 
mraroid
 

 

[Machead]

You have to choose a unique IP address - one that no other device on your network is using. It seems that you're trying to use your router's IP address as the Color Classic's, and that won't work.

 

[mraroid]

OK Machead.  So would I use 192.168.1.something for my IP address?  Is my router IP address OK?

Thanks for your help

mraroid 

 

[Machead]

Yes.

 

[mraroid]

jefframsey referred me to a program called Angry IP scanner.  When I run it in its default mode, it lists IP addresses from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254.  Is it with in this range that I should be looking?

With in this group I find 4 IP addresses that appear to be in use.  So I have been randomly picking out some others - 192.168.1.20, 192.168.1.143, and 192.168.1.207.

So far, I have the same error message from Netscape - it says it can't find the DNS entry and to check my URL.

I am changing the IP address in tcp/ip, and i am leaving the router address alone.  After changing the IP address, I save it.  then I reboot.  Then I check tcp/ip to make sure I did it correctly, then I launch Netscape (2.02)

Am I doing this correctly?

Thanks again for your help.

mraroid

 

[mactjaap]

Name server address should be only:
8.8.8.8

No other entry.

Gateway and local IP address should be different. Take one like 192.168.1.233 for your Mac and keep 192.168.1.1 as gateway.

 

[mraroid]

By name server address you mean the IP address in tcp/ip? 

In the past, I entered 8.8.8.8 as a IP address but tcp/ip would not take it because it clashed with the address I had for the router address. 

I am not sure what you mean when you say Gateway address and local IP address. 

in tcp/ip (v 1.1.1) I have a router address and then a field for name server addresses. (This is in OS 7.6)

I will attach a photo.  I think different words are used for the same thing.

Sorry for the confusion!  Still learning!

Thank you for your help

mraroid

 

[Machead]

There is a field labelled "Name server addr.:" That is where you put your name server address(es).

 

[mraroid]

I took a leap of faith and entered in 8.8.8.8 for my IP address and entered in 192.168.1.233 as my router address.  I am not at all sure that I know what I am doing.  I get a error message back from tcp/ip when I do  this.  See the enclosed 2 photos. 
 
I am running the tcp/ip that comes with OS 7.6
 

 

[jefframsey]

I took a leap of faith and entered in 8.8.8.8 for my IP address and entered in 192.168.1.233 as my router address.  I am not at all sure that I know what I am doing.  I get a error message back from tcp/ip when I do  this.  See the enclosed 2 photos. 
I am running the tcp/ip that comes with OS 7.6

We do not mean for you to use 8.8.8.8 for your IP address. We mean for you to use that for your Name server address. Use 192.168.1.254 for your IP address and use 192.168.1.1 for the Router address.

Try those settings and let us know what you get.

 

[jhorvath911]

Looking at the pictures from your laptop it's still getting ip settings from wireless so that still doesn't show what the settings are for telco router.

 

[rsolberg]

Have you tried setting things to DHCP since you were able to get the link light to illuminate on the card? With a manual configuration, you can have your IP and router/gateway addresses completely wrong and you won't see an error until something tries to connect. (DNS when attempting to load a page in this case) I strongly recommend attempting DHCP and noting what IP address, router address, subnet are assigned. I suspect you're physically connecting to a network outside of your LAN, so IP ranges from your other computers may be completely irrelevant.