Help with TCP/IP, OT and OS 7.6

[mraroid]

jefframsey.....

Thanks for the clarification!!  I still get an error message with the settings you outlined. See the photos.  I also tried to go to http://www.google.comand a few other sites.  Still the same error message.

I am in Ecuador.  You would think 8.8.8.8 would work here, right??

I have a solid green light on my ethernet card. 

rsolberg....  Now that I I am plugged directly to the router left by my telco, I thought I could just select DHCP, reboot and see what happens.  Nothing is populated after a reboot, and I can't go anywhere with Netscape.

jhorvath911....  The laptop is running windows 10.  I went to the command prompt and typed in ipconfig /all  The two photos you saw is what I got back.  Do you know of another command I could use to get more data from my router?

Thanks everyone!  I am learning allot.  But no cigar....

mraroid

 

[mactjaap]

Ok your settings are right now. But it doesn't work......

Now you need other tricks and it gets more complicated. Let's see wat we can make of this.

 

[mactjaap]

Thanks to the great picture of jefframsey your settings seems to be OK now.

I almost fainted when I saw that you used 8.8.8.8 as IP address That is THE IP address of Google DNS.....

Firtst reboot the Mac and see if your TCP settings stay the same.... you never know.

If your settings are really right you should be able to "see" the Mac from your Windows machine. If it is Windoes 10 To test this, click with the right mouse button on the start symbol and choose "Run". In the MS-DOS like screen your can do    ping 192.168.1.254. Your Mac should answer.....

Send us the print screens to see what happens.

It could be that:

- Your wired network ( I don't see a wired network on your Windows machine) uses a different network

- Your IP settings are working, but your DNS not

- Somethings else.....

 

[mraroid]

I have rebooted several times,  The info I entered into tcp/ip stays.

I pulled up a command prompt and tried to ping 192.168.1.254.  No go - photo enclosed

I have my Color Classic plugged into the router left by my telco.  I will move a computer into that room plug into the router and run ping again to see if it changes.  The telco router plugs into a Cisco hub which runs into a Lynksys smart hub.

I also ran  jefframsey software called Angry IP scanner.  It did not see anything connected to 192.168.1.254.

I will report back...

Thanks!

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

Just did the same ping command from the router the telco left me. This is the router the  Color Classic is plugged into.  Exactly the same as the ping results posted before this message.

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

Followup...

I have two partitions on the hard drive in the CC.  Both are running the same OS - 7.6.  About 1/2 way into this I erased a partition, and put a fresh load of 7.6 on the hard drive and started over.  That did not fix anything. 
 
I have tried the correct settings on both partitions of OS 7.6 (I have a apple branded CD for the install).  I receive the same error message regardless which hard drive I boot to.
 
I started changing IP addresses this morning.  I tried 192.168.1.2
.  When it did not work, I booted to my other partition, and changed tcp/ip on that hard drive.  Rebooted to make sure it stuck and tried to run netscape.  No luck.  Also no ping and it will not show up as active using the angry IP scanner software.
 
I have not swapped out the ethernet cable yet.  I can do that.
 
Do I need to configure other things in Control Panel other then tcp/ip?  I see that I have Open Transport installed.  It has what look like scrips files in it for modems maybe???.  Do I need to do something with OT?
 
Thanks everyone!
 
mraroid

 

[mactjaap]

If you don't want to give up I would do the following;

Connect your Windows PC with an Ethernet cable to your router. Post the ipconfig information.

Don't forget to switch of WIFI on the PC.

We will see if your router gives out IP address es of the same range. If so plug in your classic in the same router ( use the switch ports)

 

[mraroid]

OK, I will try that next and post the results.

This is what I have done just now...

I shut down the router left by my telco, then I powered off the two routers down stream from it.  I shut down all the computers.  I booted up the telco router and let it sit for a while while it connected, then I fired up router # 2, and then # 3.  I booted my computers including the Color Classic.  All computers connect to the internet but for the color classic.
 
I have experimented with different IP addresses.  Last try was 192.168.1.207.  Same issue.
 
I have a solid green light on the network card in the Color Classic.  I ran the Farallon diagnostic software that came with the driver for my network card.  All tests came back as OK.
 
mraroid
 

 

[mraroid]

I hooked up a windows laptop to the router left by my telco but I was unable to connect with it with a ethernet cable.  Swapped cables, swapped ports, did the windows 10 thing of resetting the Ethernet card.  Allways recieved the same error message:   " Ethernet Doesn't have a valid IP configration"

I am going to dig out a desktop in storage and plug that into the telco router and see if I can pull good data.

Here is what the laptop said whern I finally gave up and turned WIFi back on.  I suspect this is missing the data we need?

I will keep working on this.  Thank you

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

I thought I could laptop into the router left by the telco.  It is a Tellion EP-3204G.  I could only find a data sheet on the EP-3204N.  And it is not very helpful.....

http://www.tellion.com/en/pdf/Tellion_ep-3204n.pdf

Still working

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

The telco actually left me 2 boxes.  The fiber to ethernet bax is the Tellion EP-3204G.  It has 4 ethernet ports on the back.  The telco ran a short bit of ethernet from that box to a combo wi router with 4 additional etherent plugs in the back.  That box is a Cisco/Linksys E900

I plugged my laptop into the Cisco box (Cisco/Linmksys E900):

http://www.linksys.com/gb/support-product?pid=01t80000003K7VbAAK

I ran ipconfig /all

The results are posted here.

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

I ran angry IP scanner to the Cisco Linksys E900 box (using ethernet, not wireless)  I recieved the excact same rang of IP address as I did if I run angry IP scanner behind my last router that my windows 10 computer is hooked up to. 

I just can't seem to get into that fiber to ethernet Tellion EP-3204G box the telco left me.  Still looking on the web for more info.

Thanks again for all the help.

mraroid

 

[mactjaap]

My conclusion is simple. Plug in the Color Classic in the Cisco box (Cisco/Linmksys E900). 

Don't touch the settings on the Color Classic.

And ...test!

 

[jhorvath911]

Without knowing more about the "box" from the telco I can't add much more. You could go back to trying a hub in between the cc and router that you know works with other machines.

And the 169.254.x.x address your laptop has while plugged into the box means that it is not getting an IP address and is just showing a windows default for no connection.

 

[rsolberg]

My guess is that the Telco fibre to Ethernet bridge has NAT disabled, so that the Telco supplied E900 router has a public WAN IP address. Your Telco account may be limited to one public IP, and/or the additional ports on the fibre bridge may be deactivated or reserved for specific Telco hardware. If you have access to the E900's configuration, you may be able to set one of its ports to 10 Mbps/half duplex and establish a link to the PDS Ethernet card that way. If you get a link, DHCP should work. Do note that in DHCP, the IP address fields will not populate in the TCP/IP Control Panel until you launch an application and it attempts to access the network. If you don't have the option of setting a port on the E900 to 10mbps/half duplex, then a 10mbps hub or switch in between the PDS Ethernet card and your router should do the trick. 10/100 and 10/100/1000 switches very often don't work with many of these cards.

 

[mraroid]

*********************I am on line!!!**********************
 
I took the ethernet cable back to it's original router (router # 3, a linksys non WiFi smart hub).  I plugged it into a different port and bam!  The green light came on in the color classic. 
 
I tried yet again - maybe 15 tries before, and for some reason it connected.  I am using the same settings I had been using that jefframsey has posted.
 
Loose ethernet cable?  I don't think so - I like the plug them in and hear them "Click".  Could it be that I rebooted all the routers here?
 
I am down loading some other browsers.  I have been using Netscape 2.02.  I am also down loading the upgrade from 7.6 to 7.6.1.  And should I upgrade to tcp/ip 1.1.2?
 
Things are working so I am afraid to touch anything. Really afraid!!
 
I appreciate all the good help.  I have leaned allot.
 
Next time any of you are is Ecuador the beer is on me!
 
I am going to print out this entire post and make my self a data sheet from all of this.  So much good information.  It needs to be saved.
 
Thanks again everyone.  All the best,
 
mraroid

 

[jefframsey]

*********************I am on line!!!**********************...

...Things are working so I am afraid to touch anything. Really afraid!!

So glad to hear that you got this working! We could have avoided a bit of the back and forth if I had thought to ask you if the link light was lit on the Ethernet port you were plugging into. My bad.

If you did reboot the routers, that may have did something. Otherwise I am guessing that the driver for the PDS card needed the cable connection to be reset (read: unplugged and plugged back in) AFTER the IP, Router and Name server settings were correct in the software. Another thought is that plugging the card into that hub and getting a connection may have done something along the lines of initializing the driver or resetting the link state on the card.

Either way, it is working, and that is cool!

 

[mraroid]

I am surprised at how hard this was.
 
I have two partitions on my hard drive, both installed using the same apple branded OS 7.6 CD.   After I was able to get on line last night, I booted to my second partition and tried to run Netscape.  It would not run.  After checking and re checking, I found that on the partition that it would not run, I had a check mark in a small box that says "802.3".  I un checked that box and that fixed the problem. This box is in the advanced feature tab of tcp/ip.
 
Now I can boot to either hard drive and get on the interent.
 
Now that both are working, I will experiment and upgrade one partition to 7.6.1 and see if I can still get on line.  If that works I will update to open transport 1.1.2.  That one is suppose to be much better.
 
I will report back.  I think once you posted the correct IP addresses and where to put them, it was probably a matter or rebooting all the routers, and plugging in and out all the cables.  I am not sure what to think.  I was going crazy.  I need to write my self notes before I forget all of this.
 
Thanks again everyone for all the help.
 
mraroid

 

[mactjaap]

End good all good! As long as it works!

 

[mraroid]

Could not have done it with out your help mactjaap.  Thanks so much!

mraroid