Anoyne have internal pics of an Outbound 125?

[snuci]

I am looking an acquiring an Outbound 125 but it has an internal floppy drive and no internal hard disk.  I have seen some pics of Outbound 125s with no floppy drive.   If someone has pics, I'm wondering if the Outbound can handle both an internal hard drive AND floppy drive qt the same time or if it's one or the other only.  I am also wondering if I can add the hard drive later.  

Any help is much appreciated.

 

[bibilit]

some information.

https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/27185-outbound-portable-68k-mac-clone-dock-tech-info/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbound_laptop

IIRC can handle both of them, but also the HD is not SCSI, but IDE and only a few are supported.

 

[snuci]

Thanks bibilit.

The first post depict a model with no internal floppy drive so I am thinking that's where the hard drive goes?  The second link shows pics of the later notebook model so that doesn't help.  Hopefully someone here opened one up and can chime in.

 

[ScutBoy]

Based on what I know and the quick peek I took inside my 125, I don't think you can do both - it's an either/or. I'd like to be proved wrong, though. I have no floppy nor external cable for mine.

 

[unity]

The 125 is either or. Hence why the hard drive models usually came with an external floppy drive. Mine is missing the external drive, so I run it in "target disk mode" and connect it to any other 68k Mac to transfer stuff.

 

[trag]

Confirming what Unity wrote. There's one drive interface header internally and only room for either a floppy or a hard drive. The rectangular panel seen in one of those photos knocks out if the internal floppy is installed.

I'd have cloned the external floppy by now but there's a PLD in there and I lost momentum before making any attempt at figuring out what it's doing. Plus the potential market is so tiny.

 

[snuci]

Thanks guys.  I really appreciate the replies.  I guess what I'm asking now is that since the IDE hard drive interface and floppy disk interfaces are different, is there a provision for one or the other in terms of available interfaces?  This kinda needs pics for the internals to see if there is an IDE interface AND a floppy interface internally or if there's some kind of drive bay that makes either one work.

Thanks for the help.

 

[trag]

The hard drive uses a passive connector board. I think it's straight through, but I don't remember. The internal floppy drive has a complex circuit board between the Citizen brand PC floppy drive and the logic board.

 

[aplmak]

Here is a thread of when I tried to replace the IDE hdd with a CF IDE adapter... The hard drive occupies the same space as the floppy drive... so as Scutboy says don't think it can be done.. I tried for a while to clone the data on the IDE to the CF card with no success.. and the IDE pinout was unique.. not typical.. at least I couldnt' figure it out.. 

https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/23704-outbound-125/?hl=outbound+125

 

[snuci]

Thanks aplmak.  This is helpful.  I did buy the Outbound 125 and lucky enough, I also found a hard drive (that the seller said he believed worked on the 125 and a even an Outbound 125 mouse?   The seller still has another hard drive for sale so it might be worth the gamble.  I took a shot at it.  I will need the software though, if someone can send me a link to a disk image.

I'll let you know how it works out (if the Outbound gets here in one piece) and I am able to add the hard drive.

 

[snuci]

Okay, got my Outbound 125.  It has the internal floppy drive but the drive doesn't work.  The drive has a belt internally so I'm not sure if it's slipping or if the motor is just messed up.  Might be electrolytic caps in the floppy drive too.  I was hoping the floppy was a generic PC floppy drive as I have read but, of course, it's not. 

The floppy drive, indeed, connects to a small daughterboard that then plugs into the motherboard.  Here's a pic of the 26 pin connector that goes from the floppy drive to the daughterboard:



Here's the daughterboard to motherboard connection via a 30 pin connector:



As you can see, the floppy drive has a weird connector that will be impossible to find unless someone has an extra Outbound floppy drive that works.

Here is the hard drive I bought that has 44 pins PLUS the four power pins (if I recall correctly) versus the motherboard that has a lower density 44 pin connector.  Is this a standard cable or is this proprietary to the Outbound also?



Anyway, on another note, I did find a web page that had pictures of the Installation Manual for the Outbound 125 in my travels but I don't remeber where I found it so I put the images in a PDF file.  Here's a link:  http://vintagecomputer.ca/download/outbound/Outbound-125-Installation-Manual.pdf 

Note: this is really bad quality and there are missing pages but it's better than nothing.  If someone knows of a good scan, let me know.  I will scan the "User Guide" and "SCSI Adapter and Emulator" manuals that I got with my Outbound soon.

 

[snuci]

Just wanted to add a couple of manuals that came with mine.

• Outbound 125 User Guide
• Outbound 124 SCSI Adapter and Emulator User Guide

Hope this helps some of you guys without manuals.

 

[ScutBoy]

Bravo- thanks very much for those docs!

 

[snuci]

Would someone do me a big favor and take a picture (top and bottom) of the Outbout 125 internal hard drive cable?  I recapped the floppy drive and cannot get it to work so I think I have to go the hard drive route.

Thank you.