128k Mac Won't "Shut Down"

[khannonnd]

Because I had to remove the internal 400k drive, I am using a 128k Mac with an external drive with the original system disk that came with the machine.  When I go to shut down, it doesn't give me the prompt saying it is safe to switch off the machine.  Instead, the system just restarts.  Does anyone know why this is?

 

[Tiptoeturtle]

It is a Macintosh, it cannot and will not "self-terminate".

What you could try, use ResEdit, search for the string "Shut Down", and change it to "I'll be back", then save it.

Very appropriate in my opinion.

Sorry I cannot be of more help here.

 

[Macdrone]

sounds like the keyboard enter maybe stuck or an adb issue.  I have not run one without an internal connected it maybe that also.

 

[Gorgonops]

... does it eject the floppy before rebooting? Because I'm pretty sure how that's my 512k acts. (The "it's now safe to turn off the machine" prompt is for hard disk equipped computers.)

 

[unity]

There is no ADB on the 128k.

And yes, if the disk ejects then this is pretty normal. There was no "Safe to turn off..." screen on the early systems.

 

[khannonnd]

There is no ADB on the 128k.

And yes, if the disk ejects then this is pretty normal. There was no "Safe to turn off..." screen on the early systems.

The external disk doesn't eject (I just do it manually when I shut it down).  Don't know if the internal one will once I get one in there.  So do I just restart it and shut it down once it chimes?

 

[Gorgonops]

... I'm *pretty sure* a Mac should automatically spit out all mounted floppies when you select the "shut down" menu item. (This in order to prevent the machine from immediately rebooting off whatever disk is present *and* avoid the problem of having a disk stuck in the machine's drive.) Again, I'd have to set it up to be sure but I'm pretty sure my 512k ejects disks when shutting down the OS regardless of whether I've booted from the internal or an external drive. (I'm sure someone here has a 128k or 512k-no-e set up so they can likewise tell you definitively.)

 

[Elfen]

As my memory serves, any system/finder from 3.0 to 6.x will put up the window "It is safe to turn off your mac" and spit out your disk(s). System .97 to before System 3 will (or should) spit out your disk and reboot, so you can turn it off. But in both cases, it will, or supposed too, spit out your disks first.

The issue might be with the drive's ejection mechanism. in the very least it needs to be lubricated, at the most - fixed.

 

[khannonnd]

I'll see what it does when I get an internal 400k drive to put back in there.  Right now there is nothing so maybe that is confusing it.

It doesn't even try to eject the disk in the external drive.  It just instantly reboots itself.

 

[Paralel]

sounds like the keyboard enter maybe stuck or an adb issue.  I have not run one without an internal connected it maybe that also.

I'm fairly certain the 128k is "pre-adb"

 

[tanaquil]

Because I had to remove the internal 400k drive, I am using a 128k Mac with an external drive with the original system disk that came with the machine.  When I go to shut down, it doesn't give me the prompt saying it is safe to switch off the machine.  Instead, the system just restarts.  Does anyone know why this is?

Sorry if someone already pointed out the obvious, but if you are using the original system disk that came with the machine, there may not be a "shut down" command. When I run my floppies that have System 1.0 and System 1.1, there is no shut down command at all. (It freaks me out, frankly. What do you mean I'm supposed to eject the disks first and then turn off the machine WHILE IT IS STILL RUNNING? It's just weird.) I forget if System 2.0 had the Shut Down command. It was an addition to some later version of the system software.

Anyway, if you have a machine which lacks a Shut Down command, and you turn the machine off and on with the disk still in it, it will try to start up from whatever disk is inserted (whether in an external or an internal drive). If your machine has a Shut Down command, it SHOULD eject all disks when you choose Shut Down.

ETA: I do have one external hard drive that, strangely, does the thing where it tries to restart immediately after I choose a menu Shut Down command from a later version of system software. As far as I know, no floppy drive is supposed to do that.

 

[khannonnd]

Sorry if someone already pointed out the obvious, but if you are using the original system disk that came with the machine, there may not be a "shut down" command. When I run my floppies that have System 1.0 and System 1.1, there is no shut down command at all. (It freaks me out, frankly. What do you mean I'm supposed to eject the disks first and then turn off the machine WHILE IT IS STILL RUNNING? It's just weird.) I forget if System 2.0 had the Shut Down command. It was an addition to some later version of the system software.

Anyway, if you have a machine which lacks a Shut Down command, and you turn the machine off and on with the disk still in it, it will try to start up from whatever disk is inserted (whether in an external or an internal drive). If your machine has a Shut Down command, it SHOULD eject all disks when you choose Shut Down.

It definitely has a shut down command.  It just ignores it and decides it will restart without ejecting the disk.  Perhaps it has become self aware.  Or perhaps it is some anomaly with using an external 800k drive with it.

 

[tanaquil]

It definitely has a shut down command.  It just ignores it and decides it will restart without ejecting the disk.  Perhaps it has become self aware.  Or perhaps it is some anomaly with using an external 800k drive with it.

Very weird! As you mentioned before, it might have something to do with not having an internal drive that is confusing it.

My oldest machines are a 512Ke and a Mac Plus. They are fine with having an internal 800K drive (as one would expect with that generation) but who knows what is going on with the 128K. 

 

[Paralel]

Have you tried ejecting the disk, then hitting Shut Down?

 

[khannonnd]

Have you tried ejecting the disk, then hitting Shut Down?

No, only because its the system disk (and since I don't have an internal, its the only disk thats in)

 

[Paralel]

Even though its the system disk, I wonder if you can still hit Shut Down without it in the drive?

 

[Elfen]

Restart should be able to eject the disks.

If not, then you eject the disks (dragging them to the trash or hi-lighting them and press Apple-E {for both}, Apple-1 {for the internal drive} or Apple-2 {for the external drive}) and then turn it off through the switch in the back.

Anyway, if you have a machine which lacks a Shut Down command, and you turn the machine off and on with the disk still in it, it will try to start up from whatever disk is inserted (whether in an external or an internal drive). If your machine has a Shut Down command, it SHOULD eject all disks when you choose Shut Down.

Never shut down with a disk inside. Shutting down the switch in the back sends a momentary spike through the system, which is often and mostly harmless. But this spike does travel to the floppy drives and to its head(s) and motors. Though the motors will make the drive like it's giving one last small spasm, it is the spike to the head that can cause corruption to the floppy disk over time.

 

[khannonnd]

Restart should be able to eject the disks.

Except in this machine when it doesn't!

I tried ejecting it by both using the eject command and the drag to the trash method and it says it can't be ejected since it is the system disk.  I suppose I could manually eject it before using the shut down command but that seem like something that might make the computer angry.

 

[Paralel]

Yeah, I wouldn't force an eject with the system on, that could spell all sorts of trouble.