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LC575/ MicroMac 5200 conversion

Among several recent acquisitions — another LW4/600 for spares, a 7100/80, a 21" Radius B&W Monitor, an SE, and a slot-loading G3 iMac/400 — a rather odd LC575 with a MicroMac conversion has arrived through my garage door. The LC575 is in excellent condition cosmetically, but had been "upgraded" via installation of a 5200/75MHz logic board. This required that a special metal extension to the case be screwed onto the back, over the rear ports cover, as the 5200 board was adapted to fit the LC575 by the addition of an extension board at the front.

Having suffered through use of a 5200 a decade ago, another of the series is about the last thing I want in my house, so the logic board portion of this kit will likely go — any interested parties can send me a PM forthwith — but it is truly among the stranger things I have encountered in 25 years of Macdom. There is a photo of the rear-end setup at http://www.ipod-repair.com/products/lb_p5200_upgrade.html , though alas the site does not show details of the special board which is attached. The latter adds maybe 2" right along the front, and has been soldered on after removal of the 5200 logic board's "socket" connectors (don't know what you'd properly call them).

What agonies people went through to be ppc rather than 68k users! I'll bet this conversion cost a bomb. You got to upgrade to ppc native software for your troubles, but almost certainly got a slower machine for all but the FPU scores charted in Speedometer.

The best thing about the setup, however, was that it came with a set of 64MB 72-pin simms. For me, that was a first, and these will be carefully guarded and sited in a suitable machine. I would love it if my Quadra 800 would accept them, but I hear that it will not; oddly enough, one machine said to accept 64MB simms is — an LC575.

Despite what I have seen others say about the ugliness of the LC5xx series, I am sort of attached to the form factor of the machine, and as the CRT in these is high quality, I may make use of the thing as a writing machine somewhere in the household. Once my LC550 board arrives in snowy Canada, purchased from the land of hurricanes ... where, Oh where can it be? ... my current CC Mystic's logic board will be going into this new-to-me LC575 to restore this new machine to 68k goodness, and my CC will become, apart from its badge, a CCII once the 550 board is popped in. All I need is a replacement rear panel for the 575, and it'll be good as new.

 
Wow, I've actually never heard of one of these existing in the real world! Does yours have the external IDE option as well? Very interesting.

For the record, why the HELL does "ipod-repair.com" redirect to MicroMac's website???

 
Are you sure the Micromac conversion board is soldered on? Aren't all those form factor motherboards just PCB edge connectors?

That rear bucket is similar to an idea I've had to create extra room for a Takky motherboard in a Colour Classic without having to mangle the insides quite as much

 
Are you sure the Micromac conversion board is soldered on? Aren't all those form factor motherboards just PCB edge connectors?
That rear bucket is similar to an idea I've had to create extra room for a Takky motherboard in a Colour Classic without having to mangle the insides quite as much
Its a separate piece soldered to the PCB on the 6200 and 6500 I have.

 
though alas the site does not show details of the special board which is attached
Actually, I see now a further link on the page cited, "Installing the P5200 logic board," which takes you to a page on which the adapted board is pictured. The photos are not especially good, however, but comparison with a scrap 5200 board (aren't they all?) will give you the general idea. The adapter board does not butt onto the end, but goes an inch or so over the top, and then overhangs by another 2 inches or so. A series of pins connect the two boards together (yes, soldered).

 
From the look of it, you can just plug an IDE cable in to the mobo and run it (and power) out the back door.

BTW, if that rear bucket ever ends up surplus to your requirements ... }:) [:D] ]'>

 
further link / "Installing the P5200 logic board," / photos / will give you the general idea. The adapter board does not butt onto the end, but goes an inch or so over the top, and then overhangs by another 2 inches or so. A series of pins connect the two boards together (yes, soldered).
Right, right, I see it. The photo under step 5 showing the battery gives a closeup of part of the board.

What a shame it's soldered to a frikkin' 5200!

 
It seems I was mistaken about the 5200 logic board. It has been a long time since I clapped eyes on one of these, but on taking it out for a closer look at those lovely ram chips tonight, I discovered that the simms, as I had thought, were really dimms – meaning that this is not a 5200-series logic board. Looking further, it turned out to have a 120MHz CPU (which showed up for some reason the other night as a 75MHz chip in the system profiler!), which with dimms and a pci slot (how did I ever miss that, even in poor light in the garage?) means that the logic board is from a first revision 5400 - and cannot be either a 6360 or a 6400.

This changes my attitude to the modification a great deal. I like to keep my considerable collection of machines stock for the most part, but as this is not a piece of (s)crap, I think I'll keep it around rather than sell it on. While the board is rather temperamental, and so not necessarily the sort of thing you'd want to run in a mission-critical setting, I will likely want to experiment with it further.

Already, I have tried it briefly in my Color Classic, and got the CC to boot partly (to a question mark), but the video was mostly screwed up. I will no doubt have another go to see if I can get it to work in the CC one of these long winter nights, as there are jumpers on the extension board controlling, it appears, the video settings. Interesting possibilities are latent here, including, if one had the inclination and a willingness to undertake some de- and re-soldering, an easier way than usual to put a 6500 board in a Color Classic.

 
the logic board is from a first revision 5400 - and cannot be either a 6360 or a 6400.
What's the difference between a 5400 and a 6400? I was under the firm impression that they were the same logic board.

jumpers on the extension board controlling, it appears, the video settings
... which are documented on the linked Micromac mirror.

some de- and re-soldering, an easier way than usual to put a 6500 board in a Color Classic.
It's been a while since I've checked the PCC options, but what is it about a 6500 board that would make it worth the effort? Especially if one was planning to drop in an L2 G3 upgrade in either case.

 
the logic board is from a first revision 5400 - and cannot be either a 6360 or a 6400.
What's the difference between a 5400 and a 6400? I was under the firm impression that they were the same logic board.
They are, except for very minor details. I've compared both side-by-side.

 
5xxx <-> 6xxx differences are non-existant- any differences you saw was inherent to the board revision used.

when one puts a x400 board in a aio chassis, the harness assembly lets the board identify as a 5400, in the instatower chassis, it's a 6400

this is based on the same gestalt selector concept present in other macs such as:

580<->630

475<->605

7x00<->8500

etc, etc

same goes for any other x2xx-x5xx board

 
Already, I have tried it briefly in my Color Classic, and got the CC to boot partly (to a question mark), but the video was mostly screwed up. I will no doubt have another go to see if I can get it to work in the CC one of these long winter nights, as there are jumpers on the extension board controlling, it appears, the video settings. Interesting possibilities are latent here, including, if one had the inclination and a willingness to undertake some de- and re-soldering, an easier way than usual to put a 6500 board in a Color Classic.
I'll bet that if you performed the Hi-Res mod on that Colour Classic (or installed an LC575 analog board, which is really the preferred option), you'd be able to use that board with it - standard LC575 boards need either a software or hardware hack to be used with a Colour Classic that hasn't had the Hi-Res mod.

 
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