IIsi or IIci angle riser card? Anyone seen this before?

[pcamen]

I've never seen a card like this before.  Looks to me like a straight through angle riser.  Given the height, I would guess it is intended for a IIsi.  I have a Mobius IIsi riser card that has both a IIci cache type slot and a IIsi PDS slot on it, and this connector fits either of them (clearly they are the same connector which is why everyone says be careful what you plug in to PDS adapters; make sure it is the right device for the right slot). 

Anyone seen one of these before and can identify its stated use?

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Can't see the keying, but it appears to be a Left angle Riser so it's definitely not for the IIsi which needs a right angle riser. It could be for development work. It would be handy for debugging the component side of a card outboard the IIsi case? Very curious.

 

[Compgeke]

Good chance it’s a Euro DIN adapter rather than PDS. They use the same connector.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Good call, a lot of high end and industrial equipment used/uses EuroDIN connectors for all kinds of buses. It seems like the 96 position connector (NuBus form factor) is still in production. But the only the two outer rows are implemented, making it a 64 pin connector. Learned that the hard way when ordering wire wrap sockets. 96 pin wire wrap parts appear to be unobtanium.

Check the heavy power & ground traces against the PDS pinout to confirm, looks off to me.

 

[Alex]

Go to archive.org and search text contents for Creative Solutions Inc. They appear to have had the same phone number and CSI might be Creative Solutions Inc.

 

[pcamen]

Well what do you know. 

https://archive.org/details/TNM_Creative_Solutions_Inc_NuBus/page/n1





Thanks @Alex!

 

[Alex]

The internet archive is one of the internet's most important sites. Happy that you found some info!

 

[pcamen]

They certainly have great stuff, but I am constantly frustrated by their organization and the generally difficulty in finding things.  I find more success getting to stuff on Archive.org via Google then directly. 

 

[Alex]

Well, keep trying … after you run a search you can further narrow the results by selecting items from the left side bar. Furthermore, and I think this is relatively new. When a CD/DVD or other media is uploaded they run a script on the disc image and create a tree listing, believe it or not, when you search for something, it will search those tree which is amazing.

There is also an advanced search, https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php

These next two articles may prove helpful, I should read them myself, https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/16/a-few-advanced-search-tips/ and https://blog.archive.org/2016/10/26/searching-through-everything/

Anyway, I am delighted that you found more info on your hardware , there was actually more on their tech, they had some cool stuff actually - mostly development stuff.

 

[pcamen]

Anyway, I am delighted that you found more info on your hardware , there was actually more on their tech, they had some cool stuff actually - mostly development stuff.

Yes, I agree, good to know definitively what this is.  I can see it coming in useful for SE/30 work.  It's definitely a pretty unique item to have. 

 

[Von]

@pcamen Do you have a Daystar accelerator and IIsi adapter for the accelerator?  How about and Asante NIC?

 

[pcamen]

Do you have a Daystar accelerator and IIsi adapter for the accelerator?  How about and Asante NIC? 

Yes indeed to all three.  I've got a couple of the dual slot IIsi risers that allow for two things to be installed. 

 

[Von]

Yes indeed to all three.  I've got a couple of the dual slot IIsi risers that allow for two things to be installed. 

Good to hear. 

Do you have a right angle PDS adapter was well? 

If so, give this a try with the motherboard on the bench:

• Connect Asante to the motherboard
  
• Connect your right angle adapter to the Asante, I think at this point the female PDS will be pointing up
  
• Insert the right angle PDS into your right angle adapter
  
• Insert your IIsi adapter into the right angle PDS adapter, the 2 PDS connections should be pointing up
  
• You will probably need something rubber between the IIsi adapter and your right angle adapter for support
  
• Insert your video card and power it up
  
• If it works, add the Daystar accelerator and power it up
  

If all of this works, will it fit in the SE/30 case and not bump into the floppy chassis?

See this thread for context:

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I can visualize that setup, but I see it in conflict with the CRT?

 

[Von]

I can visualize that setup, but I see it in conflict with the CRT?

This is the Apple Fritter thread I started this effort in. While it has a ton of missing image links, if you scroll far enough down you will see that this could possibly fit under the bottom of the CRT. I think you'd be more likely to run into the floppy drive...

Here is one of the images from the AF post:

 

[pcamen]

Definitely runs into the floppy drive. 

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

It's too bad everyone is stuck on the SE/30 labeling/front bezel. Now that we have SCSI2SD, using an SE front bezel and FDD cage makes so much more sense in terms of shoehorning such upgrades into the vacated cubic.

 

[pcamen]

What benefit does an SE front bezel have over that of an SE/30?  I can see trying to get the SD card stick out the floppy slot, for easy removal / swapping, but I think it is somewhat of a tough fit, no?  If it _did_ work that way, I could see having the SCSI2SD stick out the lower slot of the SE bezel might keep it more out of the way. 

Personally, I'm happy to ditch the floppy / HD cage altogether and go with a custom bracket for the SCSI2SD in its place, leaving room for the type of adapter configuration we are discussing here.  If I really want the floppy noise and the occasional floppy, I can use an external one. 

 

[pcamen]