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Anyone up for some IIcx troubleshooting assistance? We have clocks but no activity...

Macs are crap for POST output: you either have the debug connector, which relies on the serial port/SCC, plus some via signals to indicate factory mode, or sound. You don't have sound hooked up, I'd plug that in because even glitching noises may help.
 
How... are you checking if it is booting?
Im powering up that ATX supply and the Green LED turns on then i hit reset. I am bypassing the power on circuit. but i fixed that and that works when i connect the real power supply.

BTW there is no oscillation on Y4, the RTC. I ordered some new crystals and they just got here but they are tiny and imm not sure if they are even the right kind because the description calls them both a resonator and an oscillator.

This is what I ordered: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2W7QM3?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
And I am about try it. Is this the right kind?

photo attached to see how much smaller it is:
 

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Need to sleep sorry. But I suggest verifying the address and data lines are good between the cpu and ROMs, via whatever route they take.


Im powering up that ATX supply and the Green LED turns on then i hit reset. I am bypassing the power on circuit. but i fixed that and that works when i connect the real power supply.
No, I mean how are you monitoring if you make progress - you have no video, no sound and no serial? What success metric are you using?

I mean, it could try to boot to the flashing question mark this very moment (it wont because of the ram / video / rtc situation)... how would you actually know?
 
Euro timezone.

Need to sleep sorry. But I suggest verifying the address and data lines are good between the cpu and ROMs, via whatever route they take.



No, I mean how are you monitoring if you make progress - you have no video, no sound and no serial? What success metric are you using?

I mean, it could try to boot to the flashing question mark this very moment (it wont because of the ram / video / rtc situation)... how would you actually know?
I am looking for square waves on the address and data lines
 
Euro timezone.

Need to sleep sorry. But I suggest verifying the address and data lines are good between the cpu and ROMs, via whatever route they take.



No, I mean how are you monitoring if you make progress - you have no video, no sound and no serial? What success metric are you using?

I mean, it could try to boot to the flashing question mark this very moment (it wont because of the ram / video / rtc situation)... how would you actually know?
Exactly... and theres nothing.. The only thing ive got on the entire board are clocks (sign waves, not square waves) and oscillator frequencies.. not one square wave to be found...
 
Ah, I had taken your "address lines go high and low" comment to mean they were doing something. Then your CPU is doing nothing at all, not running, and this shows as it wasn't warm. The fact that it doesn't have /HALT asserted also confuses me. 4.75V is low but not out of spec. What else...
 
Also, the RTC XTAL is not critical to any of this, and depending on how you measure you also wouldn't see anything out of it. Pierce oscillators are also easily disturbed and may stop oscillating upon the load of a measurement probe.
 
Ah, I had taken your "address lines go high and low" comment to mean they were doing something. Then your CPU is doing nothing at all, not running, and this shows as it wasn't warm. The fact that it doesn't have /HALT asserted also confuses me. 4.75V is low but not out of spec. What else...
Oops sorry. yeah we are dead..
 
Also, the RTC XTAL is not critical to any of this, and depending on how you measure you also wouldn't see anything out of it. Pierce oscillators are also easily disturbed and may stop oscillating upon the load of a measurement probe.
I know, i just wanted to fix SOMETHING today lol... I put the new one in and ive got my 32khz RTC clock so thats fixed.
 
Thing is, different crystals have different load capacitances. So that sort of random swapping may end up in a crystal oscillator not working with what's fitted on the board.

Anyway, here's a stupid idea: how many times has that CPU been yanked out of the socket?
 
I seemed to recall those being socketed. Nevermind then. Okay, You have clock, but you have no address lines. CPU resets, but doesn't assert /HALT, nor executes anything. What gives? It feels like a dead CPU, it feels like /HALT is being forced high by a short, it feels like a multitude of things but none seems likely.
 
I seemed to recall those being socketed. Nevermind then. Okay, You have clock, but you have no address lines. CPU resets, but doesn't assert /HALT, nor executes anything. What gives? It feels like a dead CPU, it feels like /HALT is being forced high by a short, it feels like a multitude of things but none seems likely.
I was also afraid it might be a dead cpu
 
Im not sure which ones those are.. I dont know anything about the 030 pretty much
/IPL2:0, and /IPEND
IPL is Interrupt Priority Level, a 3 bit binary code that tells the CPU to service an interrupt at that level, and IPEND is the processor's acknowledgement an interrupt request was received and its servicing is pending.
 
/IPL2:0, and /IPEND
IPL is Interrupt Priority Level, a 3 bit binary code that tells the CPU to service an interrupt at that level, and IPEND is the processor's acknowledgement an interrupt request was received and its servicing is pending.
All stuck high. How do we know its not bad ROMS or somehting else... should there be a square wave probing on the cpu somewhere no matter what?
 
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