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630 in 52xx

^^^^ :)  ok u said 650 + *800* not *700* my bad
It really depends what you want to do.  If you want Nubus slots for later expansion?  Sure, go for one of those.  You'll need to find an Mac monitor (or a Mac to VGA adapter) to go with, as is true for any 68k Mac apart from the "classics".

If you just want to mess around with serial port MIDI literally any working 68k Mac will do.  How far are you from Toronto? There should be a ton of them kicking around there.

Your best bet as far as this thread's idea goes is to order a 630 logic from uni and one of his 50-pin-adapted SCSI drives.  Drop that in your 5200 and bam, you're in business.  Then you can mess around with IDE shenanigans another time.

Ask nicely and he might even overclock it for you.

Or just grab a working 630/640 and monitor, and if you get keen on this idea again later you can try the board swap yourself.

 
he will chime in, everyone has their process,  He's got a big house with lots of mac's. I'm sure he will get to it...

i'm just a git r dun kind of a guy. that is mainly why my customers love me so much as my turn around is usually sick fast.

I'm behind right now though,  i was pretty sick from new years eve till mostly tuesday of the next week.  And honestly i still kind of 

feel like crap.

When i lugged the 5260 out of the shed for you i believe it was monday, that was a bad day as my ears were ringing...

but i grabbed my flashlight and trekked out into the cold , it was only 12 degrees F here...  i had to stomp all of the ice in front of the doors to the shed as they were iced in, and then had to force one of them open as there must have been a ground hog that also swelled up the dirt directly in front of the shed doors, only to realize that my wife had stacked "stuff"  one of those Fan exercise bikes with the swinging handles.  and a family of 5 camping odds and ends including Camp chairs... the tent for 8, and other assorted camps stuff, after i fumbled around for about 20 minutes in the cold with just a pocket led flash light that has 90% dead batteries that had begun to cause the LED's to flicker strobe like... i was able to grab this yellow monster, kinda felt my back snap as i reached down low to get it.  heaved it up there on my shoulder,  kicked the shed door back into place, didn't realize the my wife had let the dog out and he is kind of a dummy ran at me full speed as i was walking with this thing on my shoulder and he started to slide and fall ground as he came up to me, almost took me and the 5260 out.  He's a pit bull so there is quite a bit of mass on that knuckle head. Made it to the car,  put it on the rear car seat, only to realize one of my fingers had kind of partially froze to the crt glass that was fun.  Started the 30 minute one way drive to my office, only to un load, test and promptly post my results of the test.  The good news is the Analog of my 5260 must be in pretty good shape because when i fired it up, it was still cold and the Tube came right on normally with out any weird noises... so that is also a good thing.    When popped  that  q630 in the 5200 chassis,  and everything worked, Sound, Video, Buttons on front, Serial, ADB, SCSI, CD-ROM,  I was completely convinced it was golden...  i had booted the machine with OS 8.1, from the external scsi port. Didn't honestly think anything of the fact the IDE wasn't booting as i knew it had mac os 8.6, and Drive setup showed the IDE drive there.  and that was when the chain of events happened where i pulled the HD out and replaced it with the 500mb from the q630.  The later discovering the IDE was not working.  Even after trying the 40gig...  its a 40 gig not 80 that was in the 5200.  Even after trying the 40gig in the q630, with the q630 mb back in it,  was able to Partition it... format it, (slowly) copy 8.1 over to it... and it booted right up...  then took the same mb and hd back into the 5200 chassis.  only to notice it was not booting,  more then likely due to some kind of to and fro wiring anomaly,  so the real question is who's paypal address do i send the bill for my time? My hourly rate is a low $36 an hour, I figure, I have about 3 hours or so into this project.

 
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guess this thread is over..
Dude, seriously... this entire hack was your idea.  Sooner or later you're gonna have to practice some digital extraction and just do it yourself.  Between uniserver's efforts and my "just use a frickin SCSI drive already", we've already handed you a working solution on a plate.  What the heck more do you want?

 
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guys… i just got good news form David Shepard….  From Facebook

I have both a 630 and a Performa 5260, and have successfully swapped the logic boards on them in the past, worked fine. Essentially, the 5260 becomes a Performa 580, and the LC 630 becomes a Performa 6320. All LC 580 series, LC 630 series, and Performa x200/x300 series all use the exact same edge connector with the exact same pinouts, it only changed with the x400 and x500, which introduced the 3.3V rail also, the IDE in mine worked perfectly *shrugs*
 
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ok i rifled through the box o hard drives i got from hap.

i grabbed a 30gb Maxtor, poped it in, and it said cannot boot this, it was 9.22

so i booted it back up with scsi zip 8.1 and disk utility saw it… and let me re-partition it. So i did and, now i'm doing the dreadfully slow 89 meg copy from scsi zip to 30gig maxtor… so IDE is working at the moment. -- with this certain hard drive.

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or i am having one of those Murphy's law kinda moments with my IDE hard drives over here.

the original 500mb from the 630 is not booting in the 630 any more... spins up, just doesn't do anything.

so not sure what is going on... the original 40 gb, might of had condensation on it when i tried it that night from being cold. :)

 
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Who knows, maybe it just works better if it's formatted in the new machine for some reason.  Non-matching pinouts on the data line, perhaps.

 
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Its almost impossible to say without a larger test sample. One is the weirdo, we can't say which at this point.

 
ok i rifled through the box o hard drives i got from hap.

i grabbed a 30gb Maxtor, poped it in, and it said cannot boot this, it was 9.22

so i booted it back up with scsi zip 8.1 and disk utility saw it… and let me re-partition it. So i did and, now i'm doing the dreadfully slow 89 meg copy from scsi zip to 30gig maxtor… so IDE is working at the moment. -- with this certain hard drive.

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seems to coincide with info on this page: http://lowendmac.com/1994/quadra-630/

  • Internal HD Format: Cannot See IDE Drives (Apple Knowledge Base 18360) notes that due to changes in the way modern IDE drives are formatted at the factory, early versions of Apple HD SC Setup (ones that come with System 7.5.1 and earlier) will not recognize them. You should boot System 7.5.2 or later and use Drive Setup 1.0.3 or higher with these drives.
  • The IDE controller only supports a single device, and the highest PIO mode this model supports is Mode 3 (11.1 MB/s), Macintosh: Using Third Party IDE Hard Disks
  • Macs with IDE hard drives do not provide SCSI termination power, depending on external SCSI devices to provide it. For more details, see SCSI Termination Power.
  • You must have a “fat” system installed to use a PowerPC upgrade.
  • Serial port normally restricted to 57.6 kbps; throughput with a 56k modem may be limited. See 56k modem page. For more information on Mac serial ports, read Macintosh Serial Throughput.
 
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would the known lack of support for "handshaking" on the performa 5200CD's serial + printer ports stop OMS from detecting any MIDI Interfaces at all?
im trying different serial cables now.. but i cant seem to get the 5200 to see my Studio 3 Opcode interface or my 64XTC either...

i guess the 5200 really is a useless road apple! if this is the reason why...

 
did the quadra 630 also support the video in/out module that the 5200 CD supports?
Those modules were developed FOR the Quadra 630. They're rudimentary, but they're the coolest thing about the series. Gottahaveit! [:D] ]'>

If your Quadra case is in good shape, drop a 6500 board in there, unlike the 6360/6400 generation, the MoBo rolls its own 3v for PCI so the standard PSU would be good to go..

 
note to admin:

630 in 52xx

is there anyway we can retitle this thread a bit more verbiose so that it can be found more easily?

i was just looking for the thread for awhile because i was searching "performa" + "quadra" keyboards

maybe adding the word "motherboard swap" aswell?

Quadra/Performa 630 Motherboard in a Performa 5200CD

even the word 52xx doesnt even make any sense

i think bunsen or whoever split the thread was trying to copy this nomenclature:

Performa x200/x300 series

Performa  x400/x500 series, introduced the 3.3V rail
i think the thread title should say "Quadra 630 Motherboard in a 5200 series Performa" at least

 
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