630 in 52xx

[Bunsen]

reused the decal

[] ]'> [ ] :rambo: h34r: h34r:

 

[Bunsen]

slight bit of trouble with the IDE…  it will not boot from…or initialize

Was that first boot off CD then?

 

[uniserver]

scsi zip…  OS 8.1 i suppose you could pull the cdrom and reuse the pop on power and data connectors and push in a scsi drive inlace of the cdrom.

or if Mike Mcmaster ever got done with that 90 degree pop on db25 term powered scsi2 sd.

 

[uniserver]

ill try CS and slave see what that does.

 

[uniserver]

well popping a scsi drive in the CDrom slot does work!

i can't get the IDE hd to work,,, it shows up in hdsetup … but that is all.

ah who needs a cdrom anyways…  looks like you can even reuse the cdrom mounting bracket… drill a couple of holes or glue the hd to it and call it a day  

 

[uniserver]

might be able to desolder the power connector and try something fancy, other wise the SCSI2sd and the SCSI2CF will not work, it all wrong… shame too.. because the 

MacTV, L520 L550, L575, L580 so and so on that use this stupid way of hd mounting … is sales they are missing out on… i say screw it… and just go for the POP on the back db25 version…  and call it a day.. and bam the SCSI2sd will work with the SE all the way up to the G3AIO guarenteed… with out having to turn a screwdriver or split a case.. i sure wish one of those dudes would listen to me.

oh man.. i just realized the scsi 2 sd is term powered…   na i am not going to lop off power connector ….  or should i?  humm... 

 

[uniserver]

had to knock off the plastic stop



looks like it showed up?  dunno. its a brand new scsi2sd, .w 4gb card

not sure if it has to be set up or what not. but looks like it sorta shows up, might have to use lido for this one.



poped in



standoff hodge poge i used for mounting





so i clipped off the power plug.

 

[Bunsen]

Yeah but ... IDE was half the point of this exercise.

Still a 630 in a 5xxx with SCSI looks like it makes a nice 68k AIO

 

[Bunsen]

ill try CS and slave see what that does.

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Probably doesn't do anything on a 630 as they only support one IDE drive anyway.

Do you have FWB Hard Disk Toolkit?  See if that can deal with the drive.  Or any other 3rd part disk utils?

Otherwise I suspect there may be a difference in the IDE part of the wiring harness / edge connector pinout.  I mean it's promising that the system can tell there is a drive there at all - that suggests that if there are any pinout difference they're probably pretty minor.

Wait a sec - do you know that the drive is good?

Got an IDE-CF laying around you could use?

 

[Bunsen]

so i clipped off the power plug.

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heh, don't lose that you might need it later

 

[uniserver]

yeah must be something in the harness the HD's are good.  drive and board back in the q 630 case … hd boots up just fine os 8.1

Strange IDE don't work… Oh well...

Im much to busy to look into it any farther though.

BTW the SCSI is much faster then the IDE… seriously…    Copying 89 megs form zip disk to the modern 40gig hd was slow….  Copying the same zip disk to a old ass 160 meg quantum was double the speed…  SCSI is way better for these older machines…  + IDE loads down the CPU more as it needs to by design.   but i hear ya on being nice that its there at least… too bad 630's IDE don't work when installed into a 52xx case… everything else works.  Even all the buttons on the front  that control sound.. and monitor brightness.  etc.

 

[Paralel]

So, is there any benefit to this? Or its just in order to get use out of old 52xx chassis lying around?

 

[supernova777]

are u 100% sure that theres some reason the IDE will not work? i mean..

i think it would make the most sense to slide the old 52xx motherboard back into place

and boot up with that to try to initialize the IDE drive..

and then, after its working, swap motherboards back and see if it works?/

maybe there is a power issue after.... 

i realize the SCSI would be much better performance wise then the IDE, but in my case id be using MIDI + saving MIDI files.. which are miniscule.. 

were u using a real IDE drive? or flash media?

for what its worth i tried using a SD card + CF card in my 5200 and they would NOT initialize properly.

it would see the drives but not format them

but when i used an 80gb SATA drive (via SATA to IDE adapter) it worked fine.

i really hope u can put more energy into possibly getting the IDE working or at least confirming that it is not a specific fault of the parts you have there .. vs it being a fault of the 630 board in the 5200 case.. it could be because u used a 5260? and not a 5200 ? 

 

[Macdrone]

Ill try a 68 K performa board in one of my busted up 5200's and see what happens.  At the least you will have to do a clean install of the OS just to make sure you install All 68k stuff and PPC items so you dont get boot errors bombs.

 

[uniserver]

Yup Go ahead and pop it in there... IDE won't work..  however as Bunsen said... its still a cool AIO.

Worst case, Pop a scsi drive in where the CD-rom is.  I would like to know what the issues is...

probably the IDE on the Q630 some difference between how its wired to the edge connector.

might only be one pin off.  Experience with the 34 to 50 pin scsi adaptor in the portable... all it takes

is one bad line. But way to busy and i need to spend my time right now on paying jobs.

 

[techknight]

the gestalt is showing 580 series. I wonder if that gestalt is turning off the IDE? 

 

[Bunsen]

580 has IDE: it's the exact same motherboard as a 630.

And if I'm reading uni correctly above, he was using the HD from the 630 case, with a known-good 630-booting System installed there.

I think supernova777's suggestion is worth a shot if sometime you have a few more minutes to look at this, uni - trying to boot the 5200 logic with the 630's drive.

 

[Bunsen]

It's weird that it can see the drive, but not do anything with it.  Weird, but promising - that's why I was suggesting using a third party drive tool to check it out

 

[Bunsen]

I realize the SCSI would be much better performance wise then the IDE, but in my case id be using MIDI + saving MIDI files.. which are miniscule.. 

If you don't need a *large* drive, there are several different cheap options for SCSI.

My suggestion would be a Zip or Jaz drive in place of the CD-ROM.

If I remember right, uni still has some 4GB 68 pin SCSI drives with terminated 68-50 converters.

were u using a real IDE drive? or flash media?

You can see above, that he used the IDE drive from the 630 on the IDE channel, and then tried the SCSI2SD on the SCSI channel.

i really hope u can put more energy into possibly getting the IDE working

I think it was kind and helpful of uni to give this a shot.  At least we know for sure that the board is bootable in this configuration.  And if he's busy, he's busy.  *shrug*

Maybe he'll have a few minutes to look at this again, maybe someone else will, or ....

it could be because u used a 5260? and not a 5200 ?

Doubtful, as far as I know they're identical.

But there's one good way to make sure, get a 630 board yourself and try it out.

 

[Bunsen]

That's the nature of working with old machines, and especially when you wanna go off the plantation like this - nobody is going to be able to give you a rock solid 100% guarantee that something will Just Work.  In the end, you're going to have to get something up and running yourself.