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Tangerine Dream

CC_333

Well-known member
Hmm...

It just goes to show you that even 12 year old computers aren't safe from burglars and such wanting to make a profit.

That person probably was misinformed as to the worth of this machine and thought they'd try selling one off for some drug money or something like that. [shakes head in astonishment...]

Is your neighborhood generally safe? In what city, if you don't mind my asking, are you located (general area)?

c

p.s. I'm glad you got it back!!!!!

 

Byrd

Well-known member
Great story, macinbot, thanks for sharing it :) Perhaps it was Leanna, for fear of her name being bandied about with a stranger? :D Or, mustn't have been the smartest crack/meth user stealing this over everything else in your shed.

I've a similar story with my 9600, which I purchased when it was "still good", and loaned it to a friend as he wanted to record a DJ set he was preparing. It was stuffed to the gills with upgrades. He had just purchased his first home in Preston, Melbourne (for the locals this was in the bad part near Norflands) and didn't even want to store his vinyl collection there for fear of theft/break in. So I was pretty foolish giving him this Mac. As he feared, his place was broken into and they got into everything, including dragging my 9600 to the window ... then gave up as it was so heavy. For anyone who has handled one of these, you are kind of asking for trouble to haul it out of a window without doing yourself a serious injury. It came back with a few boot scuffs, but that adds to the character and history of the computer, much like your Tangerine iMac!

 

macinbot

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Is your neighborhood generally safe? In what city, if you don't mind my asking, are you located (general area)?
My neighborhood is a relatively small tract of maybe 40 houses in a rough circle with the only way in or out being the same road (no through traffic). It's comprised of mostly working professionals, civil government and safety employees and small business owners. It's not super ritzy or anything, but everyone is pretty well established. We do have two California CHP (State Patrol) and a federal marshal, along with fire fighters, so I'm feeling pretty safe in that regard.

Great story, macinbot, thanks for sharing it :) Perhaps it was Leanna, for fear of her name being bandied about with a stranger? :D Or, mustn't have been the smartest crack/meth user stealing this over everything else in your shed.
It would be really creepy/cool if any or all of Leanna, Nathan or Flower Power were somehow connected to the heist. That would certainly make for an incredible tale.

I started it up since getting it back and found some interesting usage. The person who took it appears to be somewhat familiar with Macs. They updated iTunes (which isn't hard, but requires some familiarity). They also turned off Classic auto starting (which it was set to do by the original owner). I found a CD stuck inside (The Essential Alice In Chains) and it was ripped to the hard drive. They also removed the drywall scuffs, but very poorly as the plastic now scratched on the back. With the updates and the cleaning, it seems to me that the intention was to keep it, but the bad rollers on the DVD may have changed their mind. Then again, I think it's probably a futile exercise attempting to get into the mind of a petty thief and their motivations.

I agree that like the 9600, this incident has almost immediately added some of my personal history to this machine. Beyond its overall general historical value, it now has much more personal value to me as well.

 

Byrd

Well-known member
A "magic eraser" with a small bit of water + detergent will remove the last scuff remnants.

 

mcdermd

Well-known member
Magic Erasers are abrasive. I suggest a 50/50 mix of isopropyl and acetone. If alcohol won't hurt it, neither will 50/50.

 

macinbot

Well-known member
Magic Erasers are abrasive.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they used to clean it.

Nice story, glad to see you get it back in the end, let us know about the upgrades.
Thanks. I will. I think I'll do them all in one shot.

Can the G3 iMacs be run without the PRAM battery?

 

CC_333

Well-known member
Can the G3 iMacs be run without the PRAM battery?
Of course they can! I have several, and none of them have batteries (or they have dead ones if they do at all). The only problem is they lose their date/time settings every time you unplug them.
They work fine otherwise, and no long term damage will result from leaving the battery out.

Plus, it might actually be safer for the machine to leave them out, since they can (and sometimes do) leak with age, which wreaks havoc with anything the battery acid comes in contact with.

c

 

macinbot

Well-known member
Thanks for the info. I know that some Macs, such as those based of the 4400 mobo and a few Powerbooks (I believe), need the PRAM battery to boot. I wasn't sure about the G3 iMacs. Since this won't be a daily driver, I'm not too concerned about resetting the date every once-and-awhile. And I agree with you about the leaking. I'd feel more comfortable with not having to worry about it leaking and destroying the mobo. This machine has already been through enough.

 

bibilit

Well-known member
No problem with the battery, but if you want one installed it will be easier to do it with the whole upgrades.

The battery is placed in an awkward place, you can remove it (through the Airport / ram cover) but you need long and thin fingers (or be a close friend of E.T :) )

 

CC_333

Well-known member
This machine has already been through enough.
Agreed!
The battery is placed in an awkward place
Yes, it is. It would be easiest if you take the bottom cover and faraday cage off first. You'd need to do that anyway to upgrade the hard drive and CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive.
Thanks. I will. I think I'll do them all in one shot.
Yes. Might as well get them all done at once so you don't need to needlessly repeat the disassembly procedure (which can be quite a pain).
I have a Blueberry iMac (the base model with no FireWire) which I'd like to upgrade with a FireWire logic board, preferably from the same color iMac (they are apparently color-matched with the case somehow, deep in the firmware, using methods I have yet to understand).

Anyway, I'm glad I could help out with the battery!

c

 

macinbot

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One eBay auction and US$9.00 later and I should be seeing this arrive soon:

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bibilit

Well-known member
Pretty cool and for $ 9.00 it's a steal.

The mouse is rather love or hate, i feel a bit clumsy using it... in fact i love the look but hate the small size.

Anyway,i agree color coordination is nice.

 

macinbot

Well-known member
The mouse is rather love or hate, i feel a bit clumsy using it... in fact i love the look but hate the small size.
No kidding. I remember when the B&W G3 came out and we used the mice from out retired computers (the good-old Bus Mouse II). I can't for the life of me remember the name or the company, but someone made a clip on accessory that gave the puck mouse a more traditional oblong shape.

 

macman142

Well-known member
Hehe I have one of those strange clip on thingies, still in its packet. It has a stupid name, can't remember atm.

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
Hey! Great to hear you got your machine back - and so quickly! It took over six months to get my stereo back from Crack Converters after a similar adventure.

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macinbot

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Being the community oriented and overall kind fellow that he is, mcdermd hooked me up with BOTH a pair of 512mb PC-133 SDRAM stick (1gb total) and a whopping 120gb 7200 RPM HD for my traumatized Tangerine beauty. I just got both in the mail today. I was going to make it an Independence Day project, but decided to take a crack at it tonight.

I've disassembled a few tray-loading iMacs before and while there were A LOT of screws, it was all pretty straight forward. But taking a slot-loading apart is both simpler and more harrowing. Simpler, because it seems to me the screw count is quite a bit less (at least by recollection), but when it came time to get the bottom off, I was certain I was going to break the tabs off the front end. I stopped and pulled up several videos to make sure I was going about it the right way. The tabs are tightly attached and getting the bottom off required so much force that I thought for sure the cracking sound was the tabs breaking off. But amazingly, when I finally got it removed the tabs were no worse for wear.

Unfortunately, my poor Tangerine didn't come back completely unscathed from her ordeal. In addition to her Stockholm syndrome love for Alice In Chains, there were a number of various scrapes and small gouges on the case. The thief who took it also made a half-hearted attempt at removing the serial tag from the bottom. But even worse was that a part had broken off inside the iMac. When I flipped it over to remove the bottom, I heard something rattling around inside. After getting the bottom and the inside cage off, I was able to shake out a number of broken pieces of plastic. They look to be the same material as the harness/bezel that holds the monitor. I examined the inside of the iMac very closely, but couldn't see any damage from the accessible areas. Not sure where it's broken, but it certainly took enough of a whack to break part of it off somewhere.

After that, I set about cleaning the bottom cover. It was very dusty in there, and that dust was helping the iMac hold on to the memories of the cigar-smoking gentleman from where she used to live. After a couple of wipe downs, the inside was spic-and-span and the what was left of the cigar smell was already starting to dissipate. I took some compressed air and went over the cage and motherboard. It really wasn't necessary as there was only a trivial amount of dust.

From there it was a simple task of removing the memory modules, unhooking the cables and removing four screws. I put the new components in, put everything back together and gave her a boot. Everything came up fine, or at least as fine as it can with a hard drive that has no operating system on it. The only snafu I ran into was when reassembling everything I twisted the power button on the case and couldn't get it to disengage. But that was quickly fixed by removing the bottom cover, aligning the button and reassembling one last time. Now everything is ready for the OS install.

On that note, I'd like some advice on installing the OS. My plans are to install Mac OS 8.6 (the original OS for this iMac), OS X 10.4, Mac OS 9.2.2, Mac OS 8.7 beta and Rhapsody Developers Preview. I need some suggestions for partition sizes. The main OS will be 8.6 and is where I will be spending most of my time on this machine. OS X 10.4 will be for downloading and prepping files, as it's less hassle to get connected online for that sort of thing through OS X. Mac OS 9 will be there just in case there's something that needs Classic, but isn't working out in 8.6. The 8.7 beta and Rhapsody are there for tinkering and just the plain novelty of them.

I figure the formatted drive will be around 105gb. I was thinking allocation would be 70gb to OS 8.6; 30gb to OS X; 1gb to 8.7; and 4gb to Rhapsody. It's been sometime since I've had the Classic environment installed. I thought that it could live on the same partition as OS X, but I may be mis-remembering. An important question: Will this iMac need a firmware update before installing 10.4 or should it be fine?

I put together a post-install report tomorrow. Big THANKS to mcdermd for getting these parts to me. :approve: :)

Here's some pics to tide you over:

The plastic shards of whatever broke inside:

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Here's what was removed after wiping the inside of the bottom cover:

(And lest you think this came off my foot -- I buy socks when they go on clearance. Often you can get a 6-pack for $1.00-1.50. After a washing to remove stray fibers, they make excellent rags and wipes and are much cheaper than buying a pack of rags for the same thing.)

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Thief's half-hearted attempt at removing the serial tag:

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Everything removed and ready for the upgrades:

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Booted up and looking for an OS:

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