Mein B&W ist kaput

[Pinstripes]

I breaked my B&W last nite :

I have Tiger Server installed on it which runs totally fine. I wanted to run OS 9 on it so I copied over the OS 9 System Folder and Applications folder from my G5 and restarted (in hindsight, prolly' not the smartest thing to do.)

Now all I get is a gray screen with the pointer in the top left corner, then it freezes. When I boot from an OS 9 CD, the installer loads but no hard disks show up (even though there is obviously one installed.)

So what did I do??? :?: :?: :?:

 

[Mike Richardson]

Is the drive shown in Drive Setup?

 

[Pinstripes]

Nope.

The installer also says it cannot install because there are no volumes available.

I hope I don't have to format the drive, it's got lots of good stuff on it.

 

[bluekatt]

and in the mac os x installer ?

 

[Pinstripes]

Hmmm ... haven't tried the OS X installer [:I] ]'>

I'll give that a shot when I get home today. Thanks for the idea :b&w:

 

[madmax_2069]

i think in order for OS 9.x to see a HDD it has to have the OS 9 HDD drivers on the HDD.

do a format wile using OS X's disk utility and make sure you have OS 9 disk drivers selected before you format to see if that is your issue.

you could always try to hold option on boot to get to the OS selection screen and choose OS X to boot from. i cant remember if it allows volume booting or folder booting on a B&W G3

 

[tomlee59]

i think in order for OS 9.x to see a HDD it has to have the OS 9 HDD drivers on the HDD.

That is indeed the case. Simply copying over OS9 bits won't do the job. The appropriate HD drivers have to be installed, too.

Boot from an OS X disc, as suggested. Then either wipe out the OS9 stuff you copied over (if you want to terminate your original experiment), or install OS9 drivers and retry your experiment. Since you stated a desire to preserve your original data, you probably don't want to install OS9 on this drive, because you'll have to reformat it.

 

[bluekatt]

what to do however when the os x installer doesnt see an hd either ?

 

[madmax_2069]

right now the system is in a state of confusion on what to boot to but cant boot to OS 9 cause it lacks the HDD driver and wont be seen from the OS 9 installer as well cause of it (this will not affect OS X's disk utility from seeing it).

i ran into this issue on my DA (of sorts) i removed the 120gb hdd from my AIO and put it into my DA. it had OS 9 installed on it already but will not boot to it on the DA. the DA kept trying to boot to OS 9 when powered up which it would not do it, so i had to restart and hold option when the start chime sounded to select the folder to boot from ( tiger ) and now all is fine.

since the drive worked fine before this, the HDD will be seen in OS X. the only way that it wont if the drive somehow died during this ( but i highly doubt it. all it is is the Mac is confused on what to boot to and it cant boot to OS 9 and it somehow set itself to boot into OS 9 and not OS X during this procedure .

 

[Pinstripes]

Thanks for the replies.

I booted off some old Panther installer discs and I got it installed and up and running again.

I'd like to get OS 9 installed and running, too. In the past I did that by starting up classic and then running the installer through that. I'm guessing that'll work?

 

[madmax_2069]

Thanks for the replies.
I booted off some old Panther installer discs and I got it installed and up and running again.

I'd like to get OS 9 installed and running, too. In the past I did that by starting up classic and then running the installer through that. I'm guessing that'll work?

did you remember to format/erase the HDD with the OS 9 disk drivers selected ??? cause if you didn't the OS 9 installer will not see the HDD.

 

[equill]

OS 9 drivers can be installed while a Mac is locally booted from OS 9 (another HDD or a CD), booted from a disk image, netbooted, in FW target disk mode from another Mac, or while the Mac is locally booted from OS X. In all cases, it involves reformatting the target drive to install the OS 9 drivers and provide all the partitions of the Apple scheme, only the fourth of which (out of at least five if you have only one desktop-mountable 'volume') contains the mountable volume, and the SCSI driver lives in the second. Have a squizzy in this fred.

If you wish to install only OS 9, you have no choice but to boot, format and install from OS 9 by any of the above means. If you wish to install OS X also, you can boot and format from OS X, but the formatting process must include the option to install OS 9 drivers if you wish to continue to be able to boot into OS 9.

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[Pinstripes]

I didn't format the drive because I was running it as a file server and has lots of backup junk on it (which I haven't cleared off yet.) It now has 10.3.9 running on it, which for the time being is totally hunky-dory.

I did an Archive & Install ... I'm wondering, how does one go about restoring the old System Folder? Is that possible or would I be getting in over my head?

 

[equill]

If you used the common/conventional Archive & Install procedure, you archived Applications and Home folders so that the System Folder (and its invisible components) might be replaced. Unless you also (deliberately, and by choice) archived the old System folder, you don't have it any more, because it has been over-written by the subsequent Install component of A & I.

What did you do, explicitly? With Disk Utility, SuperDuper! or CCC?

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[Pinstripes]

The old system folder is in a folder called Previous Systems. I was just wondering if it's possible to use that to replace the current system folder. If not, whatever; I don't want to make anymore work for myself.

In fact, I think I may just install OS 9 tonight and call it a day. Vacation is coming up and I don't want to spend it restoring a machine.

 

[equill]

Ahh ... Had you said your old OS 9 System Folder, and that you did a clean install, I should not have thought OS X. But why 'A & I', then? You can reactivate the Previous System Folder, by carefully renaming:

1) the current System Folder anything but that name, eg Oops, and

2) the Previous System Folder as System Folder, and

3) the renamed Oops folder as Previous System Folder,

as long as you removed nothing (extensions, preferences, control panels) from the Previous System Folder while it was resting. If it was scrambled in some way, of course it will still be scrambled. However, why reuse it if it was thought to be worth replacing?

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[Pinstripes]

In the beginning I had Tiger Server installed. I was using it as a file server, small web server and to SSH into. I compiled and ran a few programs via SSH like Gopher & Retawq, which are part of the old system folder now. Restoring the system means not having to go through the trouble of recompiling everything.

I first booted from the Tiger Server install CDs but the only option I had essentially was to format the entire drive (which I didn't want to do because of important data.)

Afterwards I tried with Panther install CDs and decided to do an A & I to at least get a bootable system. Now I find myself where I am.

For the time being I'm just going to try installing OS 9. Once vacation begins (next week) and I have some more time on my hands, I'll look into restoring the old system.