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Mac LC III 16mhz?

techknight

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Yea mine ran at 25mhz as well. overclocked 16mhz probably for cost reasons.

Anyway, reason i said "ran" as in past-tence as when i put it to work as a "real" every day use machine, it has since died and in need of a cap replacement so one of these days i need to get around to doing that.

 

beachycove

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Well, 68030s don't run hot, and it does seem that some of the 030 machines were deliberately underclocked so as not to compete with the higher end models, like the IIsi over against the IIci, the processor in the IIsi being perfectly capable of running at IIci speeds, even though the model was clocked slower.

Use of the chip with those markings in the faster machine could have been just a cost-saving measure, after there was a batch of 68030s produced that proved to be better than expected or some such, or maybe the factory simply put the wrong stamp on the chip.

It is a little odd, however, that we two have discovered the same thing simultaneously in two different 25MHz machines of the period. (Interestingly, the LC520 is spoken of as architecturally very similar to the LCIII, much like the LC475 and 575, so maybe it occurs in these two models only.) Googling turns up nothing on it for me beyond this thread.

I can say that the board with the chip marked 16MHz has the same components as the other LC520 board currently in my possession, but some components have been moved around very slightly. So presumably it is an early or late revision that I have.

I'll try to take some pics for the Flickr group before I sell the boards.

 

beachycove

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No, it's soldered.

Searching for the l.b. part number today, I stumbled on this over on Applefritter, towards the bottom. Evidently it's not so rare after all to find 68030s on Apple logic boards marked as slower than they really run.

 

techknight

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Yea i doubt it was rare, but this is the first machine I have come across that was like this though. and ive had LOTS of machines between when i got into apple and now.

 

stevep

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I acquired a second LC III yesterday, and ran across this thread. I took my earlier example out and it has the 16 MHz chip too. The one I got yesterday has the 25 MHz. The one with the 16 indicates it was assembled in Malaysia and the 25 assembled in USA. Both boards marked as "Singapore Rev" and have identical components except they boards themselves are slightly different colors.

 

register

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The LCIII's clockspeed is set by some resistors soldered to the mainboard, similar to the LC475. The clockspeed is not set in the CPU itself. You may identify the clockspeed just by looking at the resistor setting. Many LCIII units with a regular 25 MHz CPU can be overclocked to 33 MHz easily by moving just one resistor, which is a popular upgrade path to the LCIII+.

 

techknight

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I will have to dig through my files and see if I still have them. 

I uploaded those on a server at my previous job which is long long gone. 

 

Franklinstein

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woo old thread! Anyway I have a similar item: a board from an LC 520 that has an odd paper sticker over the processor that looks like it's from Motorola, identifying it as a 25MHz part. The sticker came loose as I was cleaning the leaked capacitor goo from the board, and the original markings identify it as a 33MHz part. I'm not sure if Moto put the sticker on top (to use re-rated parts to fill an order) or if Apple put it there (to use the board in a 520 instead of a 550/CC II), but either way it's not standard. It does currently run at 25MHz, though.

 

Cloudscout

New member
I'll add my voice to this ancient thread as well.  I have an LC520 motherboard with a 16MHz CPU in it.  The board needs new caps so I can't fire it up to verify that it is running at 25MHz but I'm guessing it does.

 
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