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Mac Classic Oscillator needs to be jump started

superjer2000

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I finished restoring a Mac Classic (recapping logic and analog boards and fully cleaning the unit) and when booting it up for the first time I was presented with a non-functioning clock (the seconds didn't count up in the control panel). I've had this issue before but it was a broken trace between the oscillator and the RTC chip which was easily repaired. 

On this machine, all of the traces on the Bomarc schematics from the clock chip test ok.  

I grabbed my oscilloscope and tested the oscillator (Y1) and I got a good clock signal.   The weird thing is, once I touched a probe to (I think) either pin of the oscillator, the clock started working (seconds started counting) and seemed to stay working until I shutdown.  I only left it on for a couple of minutes in between tests so I'm not sure if it would have stopped eventually.  This was repeatable over multiple attempts.

I soldered some jumper wires from the RTC to Y1 and from Y1 to its capacitors on the back side of the board with no change (except on one boot the clock did work but after shutting down it wouldn't again unless I touched an oscilloscope probe to a leg of Y1.

I plan to remove the RTC chip to see where all of the traces go (I would think there are more than what Bomarc shows given it's a 20 pin IC and I might try replacing the crystal. I wanted to see if anybody here had seen something like this before or might have an idea why jumpstarting Y1 seems to work and what that indicates about the problem.

 

mdeverhart

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Touching the probe to the crystal will add a small amount of capacitance to the circuit, which may be enough to jump start the oscillation. I would guess that either the crystal or the two capacitors next to it need to be replaced.

 

techknight

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+1 you have a bad crystal or capacitor likely. 

Another thing is potential cap goo adding parasitics to the circuit causing a problem. 

the chip itself should have enough kick to start the oscillation unless it cant overcome the parisitics. 

 

superjer2000

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You guys are awesome!  It was the cap goo/corroded solder impacting the circuit.  Continuity tested fine but I unsoldered the oscillator (one solder joint especially was pretty questionable) and cleaned out the through-hole.  Reinstalled the original oscillator with clean, fresh solder and my clock is working.

 

superjer2000

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It turns out it isn't working.  Right after I had posted that and put the machine back together it stopped working again.  So far I tried:

1. A new Y1 oscillator (mouser part #520-TFC3X8-X for future reference for others)

2. Replacing the two capacitors that connect between the oscillator's leads and ground (sourced from another Classic board)

3. Removing the RTC chip, checking for continuity and resoldering it

4. Adding jumper wires from the RTC chip to the oscillator leads.

The clock has started a couple of times and it seems to be when I have the logic board out of the computer (but that could just be coincidence) but every time I've put the logic board back into the machine it doesn't work.

I think I'm out of ideas here unfortunately.  I don't think this machine will have an RTC...

 
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