Lisa Identification Help Needed

[hilga007]

Hey All: I had posted this here and MacRumors, but MacRumors will let me upload photos to their server, so here is the thread with all the pictures, if they may help. MacRumors Link here

I'm about to list what I thought were "Mac XLs" on Ebay, but as I am reading up more about them, I am finding that at least one may be an original Lisa, albeit upgraded.

First "Lisa" System:

"Serial No B08B83240322"

"Applenet No 00102324"

"Manufactured 83243"

"Model No A6SB100"

"Memory Option A6SB108"

The screen is warbly and I get error code 82, although the online repair guide I found says nothing about this error code. Anyone have ideas? There is an external profile drive I'm going to get to try this. I will be adding posts soon with pictures. This comes with the "Lisa Squeeze Mouse"

Second Lisa System

"Serial No A3325039"

"Applenet No 00107609"

"Manufactured 3325"

"Model No A6S0200"

"Memory Option A6S0204"

It boots to MacWorks (I believe, since it looks like Mac OS) but since the mouse connector seems like just a female 9-Pin Serial, its different than the other mouse with the "squeeze connector" that I have for the first system.

Identification Help is appreciated guys, thanks a ton!

 

[sunder]

Error 82 is something like hard drive not ready.

Can't really identify it from the serial number. What numbers do you see in the top left corner when it boots? H/A8 or H/88 or 3A/A8?

See here: http://lisafaq.sunder.net/lisafaq-hw-rom_versions.html for what those mean.

The Lisa mouse is compatible with the same as for Macs upto the first ADB mice. i.e. A Mac 128, 512, 512KE, or Plus mouse will work with a Lisa. The original Lisa mouse is slightly different - it has a very narrow button at the top, and does have a squeeze connector on the sides.

So sounds like you're using a Mac mouse. That's fine. The Lisa mice are kinda rare.

Yup, that would be a version of MacWorks.

 

[hilga007]

OK, I wonder if it just doesn't have a hard drive at all or something. That seems rather odd. As far as the model numbers go, would that help with identification of the systems?

One uses the Lisa mouse for sure, so that must be the original Lisa, then? I will have to plug them back in I guess so check out those numbers.

 

[sunder]

No, since the Lisa mouse could have come from a Lisa 1.

Whether it has a hard drive or not depends on whether it's a Lisa 2/10 or a Lisa 2. (The 2 or the 2/5 are the same Lisa, the only difference being that the 2/5 shipped with an external Profile hard drive.) The Widget drive looks like this:

http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/patrick/data/Analyzing_2004.jpg

(it's the one right above the floppy drive - to the left is what the inside of a Profile external hard drive looks like.)

If you have a 2/10, you'lll have an internal hard drive, which you can tell by opening up the front case and looking above the floppy drive. It will also not have a parallel port on the back of the Lisa since it's internal and routes to the widget drive.

This is what a 2/5 looks like with the Profile on top of the Lisa: http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/lisa/profile.jpg

There should be a 25 pin cable hooked up between the Lisa's parallel port and the Profile drive.

Note that it's not a good idea to place the profile on top of a Lisa as in this picture as the Lisa's top isn't flat, so you'd be endangering the hard drive. Keep in mind, if you have one of these, that they're very old and very fragile, so you should do anything you can to preserve them. (Not you personally, but in general.)