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LaserWriter Plus

TheNixer

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I've been rooting around for a while now trying to get a LaserWriter for my Mac Plus. I happened to find a LaserWriter Plus about a month ago on Craigslist but it wasn't local. The seller told me if someone local didn't claim it they would then consider shipping it. Eventually someone claimed it. I've found another but the seller asked the question what is it worth? I had no idea really. I suppose it's all about supply and demand as there is no blue book on old Macintosh parts, especially printers. So I guess my question is: Is anyone actively searching for this printer and if so what are you willing to pay for it? Thanks for any replies.

We're in limbo at the moment. I'm wondering if this sale will be worth his effort to box the printer up and send it to me properly, financially speaking.

 

CelGen

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If anything, finding toner for it will cost more than the printer. I bought a Plus last week for $5 scrap. They really are not worth that much.

 

Charlieman

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I would pay £20 or £30 for one that I could collect. I would not consider shipping the original LaserWriters, owing to their weight and fragility. I have had S-100 and Lisa's shipped to me (without damage, thanks to conscientious sellers) in the past, but I wouldn't do it again unless desperate.

Mechanical spares and toner for the original LW should not be a worry.

 

TheNixer

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These printers aren't common anymore, are they? I just don't see them crop up on eBay much. I agree it would take a conscientious shipper to get it to me without damage but if my chances of getting it intact are slim maybe I should just hold off. I'm not likely to find one locally though.

 

shred

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Wow, that's quite a find. Those things weigh a ton though, so freight could be substantial.

The printers share many parts in common with a Canon photocopier of the same era. Back when I worked on them, we had a suitable Canon copier in our office and the copier frequently became an "organ donor" when we had to diagnose a tricky intermittent fault on a LaserWriter Plus. Note that the photocopier toner cartridges will not go in to the LaserWriter though (they are "keyed" to stop this). I think the photosensitive drums are different.

As to what it's worth, I couldn't imagine them having any real commercial value.

 

TheNixer

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Hmm. So maybe I'm just a crazed early Mac nut. You don't think there's any way this'd go in a box through the UPS system? It'd have to go freight? That might cost a couple hundred dollars.

 

Unknown_K

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They don't show up on ebay because shipping is more then they are worth and don't sell. Try the local recyclers, they should get thats stuff in once in a while for scrapping.

You should look for an old Apple laser that still has cheap toner available, or an old HP laser with mac printer port interface. I use a HP 4si and a 4/600 PS for my old mac gear. I have seen other old Apple lasers from time to time but never bothered picking up another, just don't need them and they take up space.

 

TheNixer

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Thanks K! I actually have a 4/600 PS but isn't it a network only printer? I've used it on a network but not locally. I think the appeal of the ImageWriter/ImageWriter Plus is purely nostalgia. It's impractical but I still want one, what can I say. Maybe I'll keep up the hope of finding one within driving distance. Thanks for the replies!

 

Gorgonops

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If you can stand the difference in physical appearance but still want an "old" Apple printer I'd strongly recommend the Apple Laserwriter II series over the Plus. (Any model besides the IISC.) They use a far more common print engine and toner cartridge than the original Laserwriter or Plus. (The II series uses the same Canon OEM engine as the HP LaserJet II and III, and *many* LaserJet/Laserwriter clones. The Plus also uses a Canon engine, but far fewer other printers were made using it.) As a bonus, the IINTX, IIf, and IIG have much faster CPUs and thus render complex pages *before* you grow old and your teeth fall out.

 

Scott Baret

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I actually acquired a LaserWriter Plus nine years ago. It needed new toner, and even back then it was discontinued by the manufacturer and going for well over $100 from third party companies (and I believe that price was for a remanufactured cartridge, not a new one). I paid $15 for it; it had come from a local nursing home where my friend's mother just so happened to volunteer. I still remember lugging that beast inside my basement with him! I never got around to getting a toner for it and it sat in my basement for a long time.

Four years later, I traded it and a Mac IIx to someone for a boxed Mac 128K. He wanted an old printer for parts and his wife wanted the 128K gone for whatever price it took. At least there was a happy ending to the story of the LaserWriter that sat unused for years.

One of the huge drawbacks of the original LaserWriter and LaserWriter Plus is the Canon CX engine. If you print a large solid black area, it will print as a pattern and not as solid black. This is a limitation of the CX. The SX engine used in the LaserWriter IIs fix this problem. Keep this in mind if you are absolutely intent on getting a LaserWriter Plus and doing some serious printing with it.

Your best bet is to get a 4/600 PS. Toner is cheap for this model. So are LocalTalk/PhoneNet boxes; you'll need one to connect it to a Mac. I've used it with the LaserWriter drivers from 6.0.8 and also with newer versions of the system on Macs from the Plus through 030s. It's fairly lightweight and ships nicely. Look for one with low mileage (if you can find one under 10K pages you're really in business; otherwise search for under 50K; the lower the better). I paid $15 for mine and I believe the last toner cartridge I bought for it was $35 on eBay. It can't hold a hard drive, is fairly slow compared to other lasers I've used, and only has a Mini DIN-8 LocalTalk port, but is built well and prints up there with the rest of them. One slight problem with it--you'll need to find a very flexible power cord to close the power cord door on the printer correctly. Most of Apple's OEM cords don't work right with this unless you're lucky enough to have one that came with the printer. Standard black or gray cords usually aren't good here either; you need to find one that's thin and very flexible (or else you can simply remove the door, which I did until finding an ancient beige cord that worked perfectly).

The 16/600 PS is nice too, but it's larger and not as available online (due to its huge size and astronomical shipping costs). This one has a parallel interface, a hookup for an ethernet jack (you'll need the adapter), optional paper trays, a faster print speed, and no power cord issues. If you can find one and have the room for it, spring for it by all means. I can also recommend the IIf and IIg (the second generation LaserWriter IIs and some of the most durable printers I've ever encountered in the field) and the LaserWriter Pro (forerunner to the 16/600 PS), but again, you're facing huge shipping costs.

 

TheNixer

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Well, as far as toner goes there are several on eBay right now. There's an auction selling some for $8, another for $24. I was unaware of how it printed large black areas! That's good to know. I do have a LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This printer can only be used over a network, right? If I can set this printer up locally that would suffice for now. It doesn't scratch my nostalgia itch but it'll print. Either way, I think it's best to leave that printer in the Boston area. Maybe I'll find one in my local area some day. My 4/600 PS came with an elbowed power cord and that works perfectly for that small door to snap shut.

Gorgonops - I like the look of the LaserWriter II. I'd buy one of those but there aren't any of them either. I'd pair that with my SE or SE/30 though since they share the same styling.

Again, thanks for the input!

 

Gorgonops

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I do have a LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This printer can only be used over a network, right?
Does the 4/600 PS *not* have a Localtalk port? I've never used one but all the online references I've seen seem to imply it does. Just plug the Plus into that?

 

techfury90

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Also consider the HP LaserJet 4M Plus. It has dirt cheap toner, and the M models come with a PostScript ROM SIMM, and a JetDirect with both Ethernet and LocalTalk. Anything and everything (even my AS/400s) seems to work with it well. I got mine for $10 at a university surplus lot.

 

TheNixer

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Well, I seem to have lost contact with the seller anyway. I think I'll just try out my 4/600. Before the website crash I seem to remember a tutorial on how to get one working locally. I printed it for future reference but now I can't find those instructions. I'm sure if I play with it I can get it to work locally and even if I can't I could always set up a network for it. Thanks for the help!

 

QuicksilverMac2001

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I found a LaserWriter Plus in Bethel one day (they were by the local flea market then) and I bought it and it took me forever to figure out why it wouldn't go-someone had taken the paper tray out of it. The printer I got for less than $30, this was back around 2000, but once I finally figured out what was wrong with it I looked up the paper tray to get it to print anything and the cost was close to $100 for a paper tray for a poor less than $30 (I want to say it was $25) printer. 71 pounds was huge! (Especially for an 11-year old, which I was at the time.) I put it out to the street a long time ago, because I didn't know I would be getting a Mac 128k as late as I did. I was expecting it much sooner; stupid shortsighted me! (I will however try to make my Lucky VII HP LaserJet 4000N working with it, since I have the necessary PhoneNet connector for the 128k (it has the same serial port as the long-gone LaserWriter Plus.)

With that said, I haven't had any luck with printers shipped to me unless they were A) shipped from less than 100 miles away and B) were shipped in the foam in place packaging system. Followed those two rules and I have two operational printers from eBay.

Hope this helps and have a great day!

 
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