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Just Wondering
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falen5
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great work there techknight - you still got it? - got any demos?. My first hackintosh was a core2 duo and took me 6 nights of trial and error to get to the osx desktop....was worth every second
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thanks for the link dcr - will have to get out the reading glasses
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that shot of the mac plus on the web......isn't it just so ..'wanting'.....
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come on.....there must be a way of doing it. An SE/30 would make most sense. With all the accelerator card's that were built for it, a card to do the web..card does all the work, takes its instructions from the mac and returns the resulting screen ourput.
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Are there any people here that worked on any of these cards, their software.
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would love to see a project getting started on here, with people from here, giving what they can........youd be amazed what kind of skills and knowledge can be pooled together
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and yes yes....I know....its hard, its difficult, why bother, use your pc,
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but why not.............its all good fun
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now ...wheres me dam glasses
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ps.........are the fumes from solder bad for your eyes.....my sight has gone to the dogs in last 12 months......!!!
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thanks for the link dcr - will have to get out the reading glasses
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that shot of the mac plus on the web......isn't it just so ..'wanting'.....
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come on.....there must be a way of doing it. An SE/30 would make most sense. With all the accelerator card's that were built for it, a card to do the web..card does all the work, takes its instructions from the mac and returns the resulting screen ourput.
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Are there any people here that worked on any of these cards, their software.
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would love to see a project getting started on here, with people from here, giving what they can........youd be amazed what kind of skills and knowledge can be pooled together
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and yes yes....I know....its hard, its difficult, why bother, use your pc,
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but why not.............its all good fun
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now ...wheres me dam glasses
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ps.........are the fumes from solder bad for your eyes.....my sight has gone to the dogs in last 12 months......!!!
TheWhiteFalcon
Well-known member
This is equivalent to me hacking my Pismo to support Thunderbolt, HDMI, USB 3.1, as well as giving it a SATA III bus and full El Capitan support while also wanting it to retain the ability to boot OS9 and access PC Cards.
If that sounds impossible it's because it is.
If that sounds impossible it's because it is.
falen5,
With what's already built into an SE/30 and a normal Ethernet card that already exists, there's plenty of ways to interface to the modern Internet.
You're simply never going to get a satisfactory web experience out of it. A "modern resource card" is an interesting idea, but most vintage Macs don't have displays large enough to use such a thing. At minimum you'd need an 832x624 monitor, the minimum recommendation for modern computing is 1024x768 or thereabouts (and the LC475 simply can't drive much more than that without dumping down to like sixteen colors) and most people are using, at minimum, 1366x768 or 1280x1024 displays on their modern computers.
And both Windows 10 and mainstream Linux distributions (packaged with GNOME, KDE, etc) are doing a really good job of making 1280x1024 feel cramped.
Your best bet is to consider telnet on the local LAN for text-only interfaces to things. Basically, do it the way you actually would have done it in the late '80s or early '90s and dial directly to a UNIX system and use that to get on the Internet.
This isn't necessarily strictly impossible, but it's realistically beyond the collective abilities of everybody here. Even Cameron Kaiser wasn't able to modernize existing code for Mac OS 9 that much, and that's without the limitations of RAM, CPU power, and without saying "oh, well, let's just put an ARM CPU on a NuBus card and offload this application's work to that card" -- which is clever, but at that point why not just run the simplest X11 browser you can find and run that on a Pi or a PC and display it on the Mac?
And that still doesn't address the issue of so many web sites absolutely demanding large displays these days.
At the end of it what you've got is something like a Quadra 650 or 800 (or IIfx/950) with several ARM coprocessor boards doing particular tasks or sharing the workload of different browser instances, with a big LCD hooked up to the biggest baddest GPU you can find, which you own't really be using for its Mac capabilities as much as for it's ability to drive a modernly large monitor, and at that point why not just buy a Griffin iMate for your ADB kb/mouse and connect it to a modern PC minitower with Linux, using MATE as the graphical interface?
With what's already built into an SE/30 and a normal Ethernet card that already exists, there's plenty of ways to interface to the modern Internet.
You're simply never going to get a satisfactory web experience out of it. A "modern resource card" is an interesting idea, but most vintage Macs don't have displays large enough to use such a thing. At minimum you'd need an 832x624 monitor, the minimum recommendation for modern computing is 1024x768 or thereabouts (and the LC475 simply can't drive much more than that without dumping down to like sixteen colors) and most people are using, at minimum, 1366x768 or 1280x1024 displays on their modern computers.
And both Windows 10 and mainstream Linux distributions (packaged with GNOME, KDE, etc) are doing a really good job of making 1280x1024 feel cramped.
Your best bet is to consider telnet on the local LAN for text-only interfaces to things. Basically, do it the way you actually would have done it in the late '80s or early '90s and dial directly to a UNIX system and use that to get on the Internet.
This isn't necessarily strictly impossible, but it's realistically beyond the collective abilities of everybody here. Even Cameron Kaiser wasn't able to modernize existing code for Mac OS 9 that much, and that's without the limitations of RAM, CPU power, and without saying "oh, well, let's just put an ARM CPU on a NuBus card and offload this application's work to that card" -- which is clever, but at that point why not just run the simplest X11 browser you can find and run that on a Pi or a PC and display it on the Mac?
And that still doesn't address the issue of so many web sites absolutely demanding large displays these days.
At the end of it what you've got is something like a Quadra 650 or 800 (or IIfx/950) with several ARM coprocessor boards doing particular tasks or sharing the workload of different browser instances, with a big LCD hooked up to the biggest baddest GPU you can find, which you own't really be using for its Mac capabilities as much as for it's ability to drive a modernly large monitor, and at that point why not just buy a Griffin iMate for your ADB kb/mouse and connect it to a modern PC minitower with Linux, using MATE as the graphical interface?
gdanie
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yeah i did something like this back in 07.
i made it a real hackintosh as well... it was running 10.4.11 witch was current at the time.
natively /w GMA 950 graphics. Full QE and CI... it was bad ass!
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That is really cool.
techknight
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falen5
Well-known member
Cheers people.
Cory.......you nailed what I was thinking , separate hardware dedicated to dealing with modern protocols but as you said what you end up with is not where the idea was meant to be
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looks like the only way to do it so would to be to create a much simpler internet for the mac. A private network for macintosh fans .The present day web is just gone too far for the old 68K's
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I have never had a 68K mac on the web or network of any kind. From when the internet began, has there ever been a primitive form of the internet that would of been practical on an old mac (even though the web would of been at least 10 years after the mac.....I guess not)
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I have 2 mac plus cases ...empty. Looks like im going to have to build a hackintosh into an old mac. Been reluctant to damage the old cases, but think I might try
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has anyone here done it yet.........theres not much room in a G3......even less in a mac plus..........
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techknight......cant find your g3 vid
Cory.......you nailed what I was thinking , separate hardware dedicated to dealing with modern protocols but as you said what you end up with is not where the idea was meant to be
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looks like the only way to do it so would to be to create a much simpler internet for the mac. A private network for macintosh fans .The present day web is just gone too far for the old 68K's
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I have never had a 68K mac on the web or network of any kind. From when the internet began, has there ever been a primitive form of the internet that would of been practical on an old mac (even though the web would of been at least 10 years after the mac.....I guess not)
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I have 2 mac plus cases ...empty. Looks like im going to have to build a hackintosh into an old mac. Been reluctant to damage the old cases, but think I might try
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has anyone here done it yet.........theres not much room in a G3......even less in a mac plus..........
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techknight......cant find your g3 vid
techknight
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G3 vid? I think you got me confused with uniserver.
If you want to see how the internet was, Space Jam has thier original site in-tact which is browseable from a 68K, and, Phils old radios hasnt changed at all, and neither has Just Radios. Oh, and Arron Cakes circuit celler hasnt changed much. My internet browsing history started in late 96, early 97, and I used to browse those sites, And they havent changed. Alot has. But personal websites usually sit locked in time.
If you want to see how the internet was, Space Jam has thier original site in-tact which is browseable from a 68K, and, Phils old radios hasnt changed at all, and neither has Just Radios. Oh, and Arron Cakes circuit celler hasnt changed much. My internet browsing history started in late 96, early 97, and I used to browse those sites, And they havent changed. Alot has. But personal websites usually sit locked in time.
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falen5
Well-known member
yep - I mixed up your names - sorry folks - jasus my sight is getting so bad..........
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think I will be getting laser's into my eyes to sort this out..........
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thanks for the info techknight.......will go have a look now
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I wonder if it would be possible to make a database of all 68k software available on an old site like spacejam . id love to be able to plug an SE into macintosh garden....would be there for days
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think I will be getting laser's into my eyes to sort this out..........
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thanks for the info techknight.......will go have a look now
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I wonder if it would be possible to make a database of all 68k software available on an old site like spacejam . id love to be able to plug an SE into macintosh garden....would be there for days
techknight
Well-known member
would be cool with Macintosh garden had a BBS system that access their file database but I just don't see it happening
