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Just got a Macintosh Classic ii

pezter22

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Unsure where you are located, but Amiga of Rochester (NY) does great work and specializes in recapping and repairing vintage boards.
The price you were quoted will be just the recap, not for any unseen issues. Since you haven't opened it up yourself there may be other problems, including PRAM battery vomit which can do a lot of harm to nearby components, pads and traces. We've all been there.

This is a great forum for learning about vintage Macs.

 
Unsure where you are located, but Amiga of Rochester (NY) does great work and specializes in recapping and repairing vintage boards.
The price you were quoted will be just the recap, not for any unseen issues. Since you haven't opened it up yourself there may be other problems, including PRAM battery vomit which can do a lot of harm to nearby components, pads and traces. We've all been there.

This is a great forum for learning about vintage Macs.

This is exactly where I am sending the boards to.
 

beachycove

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Given the ease with which a board can be ruined by beginners (I speak from experience), I think you’ve made a perfectly sane decision. This is especially the case given the difficulty of desoldering all those through-hole capacitors on the analog board,
 

eschaton

Member
You could learn to repair it yourself. If it's not covered in exploded battery internally, it's actually quite straightforward, and rewarding. And if you're able to repair vehicles, you're definitely capable of learning how to recap a logic board and an analog board.
 

Kouzui

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You could learn to repair it yourself. If it's not covered in exploded battery internally, it's actually quite straightforward, and rewarding. And if you're able to repair vehicles, you're definitely capable of learning how to recap a logic board and an analog board.
I agree with this, it's something I learned for myself, and have now done a few more times.
Why do you need a Macintosh Classic II for that?
I use my Classic for writing, though I'm moving my work to my SE/30 soon. Compacts make nice word processors, and the 030 lets Word run just a bit faster.
 
I agree with this, it's something I learned for myself, and have now done a few more times.

I use my Classic for writing, though I'm moving my work to my SE/30 soon. Compacts make nice word processors, and the 030 lets Word run just a bit faster.
I have a newer iMac but I can’t use it on my screenplay project because it is connected to the internet and it is too distracting. And the Classic ii will be a good word processor.
 

mousehouse

Active member
Always great to see that someone wants to revive a classic computer. Kudo's!

Next to the repairs needed I'd vouch for replacing the harddisk with a flash-based solution. The drive (if still working) will die and take your script with it.

For day to day usage I'd recommend getting an external BlueSCSI v1 module. It will allow you to move files from your Classic2 to other systems for backup and exchange/email and more easily get good software on your machine as well.
 

beachycove

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I also like the 030 Compact Macs for writing. It is what they really excel at, as I see it (I like Nisus Writer 5 with Verdana as the screen font). In a certain sense it is what the Compacts were designed for, i.e., the production of documents. They were often just called “word processors” back in the day, after all. Computers today are not designed for this in any real sense at all, and I find that they tend to be jarring when used for simpler tasks like writing, a little like cracking a nut with a sledge hammer.

Distraction-free writing tools are popping up all over the place, of course, from full-screen mode on your latest M2 MBP or whatever, right to going back to typewriters or even pencils and scribblers. A Classic II makes a good middle way between these options, gives an old machine an actual use, works well, provides an avenue for exploring old technology, and so on — and this combination of factors for many people proves really satisfying. Part of the pleasure lies in seeing how much you can get out of one of the things. If writing is the goal, then the answer to the question, ‘How much can I get out of this little machine?’ is, quite a lot. There is genuine pleasure in doing work with a particular tool that is well suited to the task, and so, a Classic II may have an elegance in your hands that make the process more enjoyable.

The other side of matter, however, lies in the mind of the writer rather than in the machine. Writers tend to have rituals, ways of doing things that tend to work for them, and that they become attached to. Some of it borders on superstition, like hockey players who always lace up the left skate first and whatnot. Writers will write at specific hours of the day, they will go for a walk at fixed intervals, they will read fiction for two hours before beginning, they will sit at a favourite desk, they may use fountain pens and paper and then write up what they have drafted on a machine — whatever. If the ritual is interrupted, then it becomes much more difficult to write, as the tool and setting is embedded too deeply in the process to be changed without effect. Writers accordingly search around for the magic combination that makes the words flow, and once they find it, they won’t let it go. Woody Allen, for instance, wrote all his screenplays on one battered old Olympia typewriter, with a missing ribbon cover. He didn’t live within those limitations because he couldn’t afford anything better! He did it because it was part of the ritual, because it worked for him, and because he enjoyed doing things that way.

The means and context of writing matter to writers. This goes back a long way in time. When metal nibs were introduced for dip pens, there were major literary figures who claimed that they couldn’t use them for creative work and stuck with goose feathers (seriously, this happened). When the typewriter was introduced, there were writers who swore that mechanization was incompatible with imagination, and continued with their pens. And there are people today who for whatever reason find the use of high-powered machines for low-powered tasks to be somehow incongruous, and who accordingly are looking for the “right” tool, a better match between form and function. Some of them are rediscovering the pleasures of using a Classic II. I salute you, sir!
 

Kouzui

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I have a newer iMac but I can’t use it on my screenplay project because it is connected to the internet and it is too distracting. And the Classic ii will be a good word processor.
I feel the same way about mine. That, and the feel of alps oranges (on the IIgs style-keyboard) somehow motivates me to write.
Writers tend to have rituals, ways of doing things that tend to work for them, and that they become attached to. Some of it borders on superstition, like hockey players who always lace up the left skate first and whatnot. Writers will write at specific hours of the day, they will go for a walk at fixed intervals, they will read fiction for two hours before beginning, they will sit at a favourite desk, they may use fountain pens and paper and then write up what they have drafted on a machine — whatever. If the ritual is interrupted, then it becomes much more difficult to write, as the tool and setting is embedded too deeply in the process to be changed without effect.
Guilty as charged - my move to my SE/30 is concurrent with a switch to an M0116, which has *salmon* alps. It's such a small change, but I still feel it. Hopefully it doesn't affect my productivity too much, but I might have to switch the keyboards around if it does, as silly as that sounds.
 
By the way the reason that I got the Macintosh Classic ii is that I am going to write a script for a movie on it
Long story short my screenplay is about an alien invasion and a retired navy commander who was just elected to the Senate and he and his family are on vacation in Mexico when the aliens invade

If I tell you anything more I will give away the story
 

beachycove

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I have a strong predisposition to running 7.1 on the Classic II, as it is stable and relatively simple. System 6 (there is a version that works) will make it fly, but 7.1 is still somewhat nimble.

However, I also have a vague recollection that one of our old and most knowledgeable members from years and years back, equill, ran 7.5.3 on a Classic II. And the machine was used for years and years like that. That would, however, presumably require that one turn most all the 7.5 fluff off. For instance, AppleGuide would surely make a CII slow to a crawl, and you will take real RAM hits from loading QuickDraw GX, Quicktime, and the like, to no real benefit. You might, however, want to get good AppleScript and some nice touches like hierarchical menus and so on from a stripped down 7.5.3.

As I understand it, there is nothing to be gained from running 7.5.5 on any 68k unit over 7.5.3; 7.5.5 was mostly for PPC. Someone will no doubt correct me If I am wrong.

System Picker will allow you to have multiple System Folders, so you can boot from installations of Systems 6, 7.1 and 7.5 on the same startup disk.
 
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alectrona2988

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honestly chances are anything that runs on a 68030 will run on system 7.1. 7.5.x gets a huge hit in performance, though you could strip it down. i do like the control strip in 7.5.3, wondering if that can be backported to 7.1 myself...
 

Phipli

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and you will take real RAM hits from loading QuickDraw GX
Wait, you mean there is a situation in which you wouldn't delete QuickDraw GX? I always delete it (and claim back the huge amount of RAM it consumes) and have never once seen an error saying I need it.
 

Phipli

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honestly chances are anything that runs on a 68030 will run on system 7.1. 7.5.x gets a huge hit in performance, though you could strip it down. i do like the control strip in 7.5.3, wondering if that can be backported to 7.1 myself...
I find the only thing I use from the Control Strip is bit depth and resolution changing, so sometimes I just use something like the RadiusWare software to give a control+click (I think?) contextual menu for changing monitor settings.

Volume is the only other thing, but I'm not too bothered. Historically I used to have an external amp plugged in for sound anyway.
 
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