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IIfx case restoration...paint these internal tins?

Von

Well-known member
HI All,

I won an auction for a IIfx earlier this year and I have these threads going on its motherboard & PS which have now taken back seat to its case. The auction (which I was not expecting to win) pictures only hinted at its internal mess:

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I removed the internal tins and they were a delight...

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So after a bit of scrubbing with a wire brush and steel wool during retrobright sessions on the plastic, these are looking a bit better:

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I still have a bit more to do with the dremel however once done, I am thinking about hitting the top and bottom tins with a coat of silver Rustoleum paint for a bit of protection.

Thoughts on doing or not doing this?

THx!

 
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Von

Well-known member
Yeah, I was pretty appalled at the state of this when it arrived. What is odd is that the top of the case was way worse. Perhaps it was off and there was some flooding...

Anyway, the previous owner tried spraying the inside with wd-40 which had no effect. I have run out of weekend so I will have a go at next week.

 

Alex

Well-known member
clean it with vinegar, get a big enough tray, add vinegar and let it sit 24 hours or so.

 

Alex

Well-known member
If I am not mistaken that is the EMI / RFI (electro magnetic interference / radio frequency interference) shield, here is the theory. You will probably need a special kind of spray paint for it. Can anyone verify my claim. I think it will need to be nickel plated or tinned after the rust is removed.

Here is the faraday cage (silver in color) for an iMac G4, just an example (ignore the yellow arrow, it's from the take apart manual)

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I am leaving other links for consideration.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=74944

I don't endorse nor am I affiliated with these guys but the text is worth reading. https://muellercorp.com/the-benefits-of-rfi-emi-spray-coating-for-components/

You can google or google image: "paint  EMI shield"



 
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Alex

Well-known member
If you do some research, removing rust and applying a fresh coat of RFI EMI Spray Coating spray paint (not any kind of paint) the result will look like new and the faraday cage will behave as expected, blocking EMI/RFI signals from the machine's internals.

 
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Von

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Thanks all for the input.

The cleaning I have done thus far has been mostly elbow grease...

The tins were also coated in WD40 so I filled the utility sink with hot water and Dawn dish detergent. I scrubbed with various plastic and wire brushes while submerged. This kept the dust down. After drying the tins, I went after some of the bad spots with a wire brush attached to my drill.  After that it was down to the pitted metal.

Before I paint, I will soak in vinegar. Any idea on the ratio of water to vinegar? Straight vinegar isn't realistic as that would be several gallons to submerge them in the utility sink which is a perfect fit for these.

@Alex I am glad you chimed in on RFI. I suspected that that was the purpose of the metal internal tins. The RFI being blocked was from the spinning hard disk affecting a CRT monitor sitting on top of the case, correct?

I noticed that later model Macs (IIsi/IIci don't have metal however I did notice that when retrobrighting there was some black almost metalic paint that came off of the top of my IIci and IIsi. I assume that this is the RFI paint you are referring to.

Back to the IIfx, the tins weren't painted to begin with, they were just bare metal. Am I correct in assuming that the IIfx didn't have RFI paint when leaving the factory?

 

Alex

Well-known member
Hi,

In terms of the IIcx and IIsi that is correct, they sprayed the inside of the plastics instead of adding a proper EMI shield or faraday case as the iMac G4 uses. The White iMacs use a different kind of shield as well, it is an almost aluminum foil type of material so it varies from machine to machine but all in all I believe these are to prevent radio interference and is typically desirable for electronics and enforced through regulation by the FCC or other bodies in Europe and so on as governed by law. I believe the idea is to prevent the computer from emitting radio frequencies not the other way around. Electronics emit radio frequencies and if all electronics weren't housed inside a shell that prevent the emission there would be a lot of radio signals about and that would cause a lot of problems, especially for highly sensitive instruments such as hospital equipment, this is one of the reasons we are instructed to turn off our electronic devices on take off and landing on an airplane.

Your IIfx should operate as expected even without those EMI shields unless they act as ground somewhere but due to their fragility I would doubt that. I am not an engineer to say this with any confidence but I would imagine the logic board is grounded to the power supply which in turn is grounded to the wall outlet.

Was the IIfx shielding originally shiny in finish?

For images of the original state of the EMI shielding please open:

https://www.oldcomputr.com/apple-macintosh-iifx-1990/

By the way, some other machines that share the same type of shiny shielding are the 7x00 series Mac all the way up to the Power Mac G3 desktop, the latter I don't own but they all have the EMI shield under the logic board. Other Macs share this material in some cases just around the I/O ports and under logic boards, like the Power Macintosh 8600/9600 towers. I don't know why exactly they are 'tinned' for lack of a better term, it might be to simply prevent corrosion such as rust from developing on an otherwise flimsy piece of metal. It is possible that the proper spray paint contributed to staying with FCC rules on EMI shielding. I couldn't find out if a primer should be applied beforehand. I would contact one of the manufactures first just don't expect them to know what a Macintosh IIfx is, instead send a photo of the part instead, describing that it's for computer shielding.

What I would do in your shoes:

Personally, if I owned a IIfx (my first Mac was a Iix by the way) and I had already gone as far as you have I would be investing in a can of spray paint that is meant to not only protect the shielding but give it the qualities required to behave as intended, in this aspect, to prevent EMI emission - I could be wrong it might actually prevent emission and absorption of unwanted radio signal interference.

To answer your other question, I believe the shielding would put the machine within specifications for hosting a display in top or around the IIfx. After going through the take-apart process it should be clear that this machine was well shielded, especially because it had so much potential for I/O in around and outside the box.

If you think about it, almost every component in a computer, down to ADB, SCSI and other cabling is all heavily shielded.

I would go the extra mile and find an appropriate spray to finish the job just right, that's how I would go forward. Maybe my philosophical bend on restoration can at times be overwhelming even to me because I know that it takes time to do and a project can take days for countless reasons, waiting for parts, waiting for paint or glue to cure, other interruptions or gaps of knowledge etc but it is rewarding to see a machine that once looked pitiful return to its' full or near full glory.

I hope this helps you and encourages you. The IIfx seems to be a rarer find these days so even if it seems like a lot of work, it's worth preserving. This was the top of the line machine way back so not many were manufactured — they weren't cheap!

Some manufacturer's and a description:

Starts with a great description of EMI/RFI shielding.

https://www.vacuum-metalizing.com/industrial-services/rfi-shielding-paint-coatings/

Appears to be a product for the IIsi, cx range as they enjoy a spray coating on the plastic.

https://hollandshielding.com/Electrically-conductive-nickel-coating

https://conformalcoatings.com/materials/rfi-emi-shielding/

Mentioned previously

https://muellercorp.com/the-benefits-of-rfi-emi-spray-coating-for-components/

https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/emi-and-rfi-shielding/

I recommend a google image search for "RFI EMI Aerosol" or "RFI EMI Aerosol high gloss" (without the quotes) and you should land on a product.

The package you want should be an aerosol, if you search for can you might need a brush and that might yield an uneven finish. Even finishes will require spraying.

As a side note, the Quadra 950 actually has a gold colored coating on the inside of the plastic case. I came across a product for that. I typically start with google image searches and work my way backwards.

Cheers!

—Alex

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
Yep, the bright "tinning" of the thin back port cover inserts, around removable media slots and some large panels as in the LCs is for rust prevention.

The grounded metal, just about any conductive metal and RFI paint coatings grounded by metal flaps on the other shielding parts create a Faraday Cage good enough to pass Class A for industrial/business use and better enough to pass Class B for home use. The FCC didn't want computers, displays or any other radio frequency generating equipment screwing up analog television and radio reception in your home or your neighbors. Somewhere between a IIfx and a Microwave safety concerns override mere annoyances from TV programming interference.

If the rust hasn't made any holes, the sheet metal is fine as is for RFI shielding. Any clear coat will prevent more rust from forming, just make sure you don't "paint" any necessary grounding contact points. Using one of the EMI/RFI shielding products probably wouldn't need to have any contact points masked off?

Just before you paint the surfaces, wipe the pieces down with straight white vinegar to remove any zinc hydroxide (whitish film) from the electrogalvanized sheet metal surfaces for better adhesion, no need to soak..

 
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