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iBook G3 no network

HAL2001

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I've got a iBook G3 366MHz SE (without firewire) and I've got a problem. It doesn'connect it to a network. Not on OS9 and not on OSX 10.3. Not with a networkcable. Not with airport (Yes I know about web security) I even got a Vonet wifi connector and that doesn't work too. What am I doing wrong? Or could something be broken? I can't find a real Apple Hardware Test. Can somebody give me a clue?

Both OS9 and OSX 10.3 are clean installs.

Thanks!
 

MacUp72

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I have read several threads about Os X Panther making network problems, I would try to upgrade to Tiger and compare.
I believe I copied a working 10.4.11 install via FireWire and CCC to it..
 

HAL2001

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It's not working under OS9 too. And no firewire unfortunately. And 10.4 is possible but only with Xpostfacto. I was going to try that but I want the opinion of forum members about my problems before I do.
 

MacUp72

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oh, right, its the SE without FW..and to disassemble it to get to the hdd is a bit of a pita.
 

HAL2001

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Yes. I know. I'm going to do that when I figured out my network problems. BTW target mode works with USB. But again: that's for the future.
 

Dude.JediKnight

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Connecting your machine right to the router via Ethernet usually works fine, at least in my experience. I‘be heard that there are some modern routers and switches that sometimes can’t properly detect and connect to older, slower Ethernet ports… not something I’ve ever experienced with my FW SE Clamshell (as I typically have an older Ethernet switch for just that purpose), but could be a possibility.

Does that Ethernet cable work fine with other machines? Maybe try a different, known good cable, or try that cable with other machines to confirm that it works.

A universal OS9 install disk should have installed all the needed extensions for wired networking at the very least. I would also assume that a universal installer for OSX should have installed such things as well.

My gut feeling on the wired part is a compatibility issue between older and newer hardware, or maybe just a bad cable. Might end up being software as well, but that is unlikely, though it depends on exactly what install media and options were used.


As for wireless, modern wireless routers can also have issues with the original AirPort’s wireless b and the older WEP/WPA security. Sure, you can disable such security on your main router, but I wouldn’t recommend doing that long-term. I know some newer routers do not allow older wireless b/g devices to connect unless you specifically turn that feature on, but again, that’s not something I would leave turned on long term.

Usually best to have an older AirPort or other wireless b/g router that you only power on and connect such machines to when needed, and leave unplugged when you’re not using it.


If you’re just transferring files over to the machine, you can always just sneaker-net stuff onto it with an external USB drive or a USB thumb drive. Kinda sucks at USB1 speeds, but it will work for that purpose, though slowly. That would save you the headache of having to deal with such wired and wireless issues, but doesn’t really fix the specific problems you were asking about.
 

HAL2001

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Connecting your machine right to the router via Ethernet usually works fine
Tried that. Didn't work
Does that Ethernet cable work fine with other machines? Maybe try a different, known good cable, or try that cable with other machines to confirm that it works.
Tried a second and a third cable. Didn't work.
A universal OS9 install disk should have installed all the needed extensions for wired networking at the very least. I would also assume that a universal installer for OSX should have installed such things as well.
It was a universal disk
My gut feeling on the wired part is a compatibility issue between older and newer hardware, or maybe just a bad cable. Might end up being software as well, but that is unlikely, though it depends on exactly what install media and options were used.
My PowerBook G4 works fine on the same connection. My Se/30 too.
As for wireless, modern wireless routers can also have issues with the original AirPort’s wireless b and the older WEP/WPA security. Sure, you can disable such security on your main router, but I wouldn’t recommend doing that long-term. I know some newer routers do not allow older wireless b/g devices to connect unless you specifically turn that feature on, but again, that’s not something I would leave turned on long term.
It works with other old Macs
If you’re just transferring files over to the machine, you can always just sneaker-net stuff onto it with an external USB drive or a USB thumb drive.
I know but I want internet and a connection to my Macs. Again: this all works with my other old Macs.
Thanks for your input.
 

LaPorta

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Ok, so, let’s walk through this logically:

In Apple System Profiler, under 9 or X, what is shown under “Network?” Is Ethernet there? Is AirPort there?

Are you certain you have an AirPort card installed?

If the interfaces do show up in ASP, do they show up in the AppleTalk (OS 9) control panel? Do they show up as a network interface in the Network preference pane under OS X?

Also, when you say “no network,” what exactly are the symptoms you are experiencing? What exactly does “it won’t connect” mean?
 

HAL2001

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I have wiped the hard disk and I'm using the original install discs to install everything again. I'll get back to you.
 

HAL2001

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Still no success. Not in Panther and not in OS9.2.2. I tried an Apple network to USB adapter but that doesn't work either. It all works on another clamshell and I even tried the adapter on a modern Mac. I tried the drivers that are tailored made for this adapter and Panther but that doesn't work either. I'm beginning to think that the connector is broken, but that doesn't explain why a Apple network-USB-cable doesn't work. How can I be shure and how can I fix this?
 

lauland

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Similar experience... I have two identical original bondi clamshells I bought used. One, the ethernet jack is hinky, it will work usually, but the tolerance on the physical connection is not good, and goes off if the cable is disturbed. The other one, the port has never worked.

So definitely not a software or network issue for mine (clean installs from ibook restore disk, and network is definitely good). One thing I need to try is very gently bending the pins on the port, in the hope they are possibly slightly out of place from pervious overuse. Otherwise, if it's a jack or motherboard issue, disassembly would be the next step, which I'm dreading, and, since these are test/spare machines, avoiding like the plague.

Airport cards work, but don't support modern router security. I have an Apple usb/ethernet adapter, and I'll give it a try and see.

I hadn't heard target mode worked over USB...obviously you'd need to use weird cable! I've got adapters and will try that.
 
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