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Ever seen this Apple monitor before?

Gil

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https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/131745354925

First time I've ever seen one of these. Seller claims it's a Multiple Scan 15 (M2978). The model number doesn't match the standard Multiple Scan 15 display. Perhaps an early revision? Anyone know anything about this monitor? I'm fascinated.

 

unity

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Yeah. We had a ton of those in school. If they are the ones I think they are, they had a high failure rate.

 

Cory5412

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There is some other stuff online indicating that it is in fact a Multiple Scan 15. Although, I have never seen an MS15 in this style before, only the newer curvier version.

 

CelGen

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That looks like another one of those mid-90's Apple products where the design team was so thin at that point all they could really do was OEM.

 

Paralel

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Ick, Goldstar made crap monitors during that period in IT history.

 
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techknight

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Yeap, and those are rebranded goldstars! the LC 12" RGB monitors are Mitsubishi/Matsushita. the company that practically ran off our electronics manufacturing in the 50s/60s with price fixing, etc. Japans retaliation for WWII I guess... 

Dare I say it. Goldstar is todays LG.... and nothing much has changed on that front... 

 
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Scott Baret

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I had one of those Multiple Scan 15" monitors for a short while. I never really used it though...I traded it, along with a LaserWriter Plus, a II, and a Iix to a guy for a boxed 128K back in 2005. (Not sure who got the better end of that deal).

It's not Apple's best monitor. NEC made a far superior multi sync at the time.

 

CC_333

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I once had a small GoldStar VCR (it was small enough to be somewhat portable, and it ran off a wall word I believe), and it was an excellent machine, at least to my 11 - 12 year old self. Kinda wish I still had it (it seems to have disappeared during one of our numerous moves since then).

Oh, and since we're going down this track, I think I'll say it: what do people think of Dell in the last 16 years?

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Scott Baret

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Regarding Goldstar: I have an old CRT monitor of theirs from 1989. It's a CGA display and got used on my Toshiba T1200 quite a bit. I haven't turned it on in maybe 12 years now? May have to test it out sometime. It always worked fine for me and had a good picture.

Yup, the 12" LC toppers are indeed Mitsubishis. Apple used their technology quite a bit--their final CRTs were Diamondtrons. I'm not sure, but weren't the eMacs also Diamondtrons? It's funny how the company has gone up and down on so many things. They made some decent cars in the 80s and 90s, but just look up the reviews of the Mirage today.

In regard to Dell...I'd say their mid 2000s stuff was the worst of the lot. They used to source Trinitron CRTs in the 90s...but who made their stuff after that?

 

Cory5412

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LG makes reasonably good electronics today. To be honest, if there was a problem with this multiple scan display, it was probably just that it was 1) a multiple scan, which was Apple's cheap brand of monitors anyway, and 2) that it was a CRT, and finding really good CRTs is uncommon.

The later version of the Multiple Scan 15 I had was fine. I honestly wish I had another, I forget exactly what happened to it, but I know I had an MS1705 a little later on that had to be recycled due to space constraints.

Dare I say it. Goldstar is todays LG.... and nothing much has changed on that front...
In a way Goldstar literally is LG, it was merged into LG at the start of the 2000s.

Oh, and since we're going down this track, I think I'll say it: what do people think of Dell in the last 16 years?
Dell in general or Dell's monitors?

I've had pretty much nothing but good experience with Dell over the last 16 years, both personally and professionally. Most of Dell's missteps in that time have been missteps that the entire industry had done, sometimes even Apple (capacitor plague, anyone?) but outside of a few things where Dell was really producing at the par quality for the time, usually with PC laptops, they build pretty good stuff.

Most of my experience is with their servers, displays, and business desktops/laptops, but I've bought a few consumer desktops from them as well (one in 2008 and the other in 2011) and had a good experience with those systems. The amount of junk software loaded on those systems was minimal and the build quality was good enough for the price. (Of course, it's very hard to mess up a desktop, so that helps a lot.)

Laptops: I personally tend to choose Lenovo ThinkPads. My "main" laptop is still a Thinkpad T400. Main may be stretching it a little bit. The system I carry with me is a Surface 3, and the system I game on is an HPQ6200 with a graphics card added, but the T400 is where all of my licensed commercial software is, should I need to build a Visio chart, and it's where my photo library is. I'll eventually need to move the photo library to something a little faster.

Every Dell display I've had (save one) has just been great. That one was reliable and good. Not great, merely good, but it was an LCD that probably sold for $200 or so in like 2004, so, so I don't think anybody was expecting it to be really great.

I've had a Dell Trin, that was pretty nice too, although Dell's better CRTs were all basically Sonys.

That kind of thing has been common in the computing industry for... basically as long as computers have been common, as far as I can tell. To this day, it's not like Apple or Dell or HPQ or any other $COMPUTER_OEM is manufacturing its own LCD panels, for example.

 

EvilCapitalist

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Yup, LG is Lucky GoldStar.  I've got bad memories of a VCP (yes, a Video Cassette Player) we had growing up that had a nasty habit of eating tapes when it rewound them.

Agree that Dell has been pretty solid if you go with the business class stuff.  I've used Latitudes and Precisions and never had issues.  Also had good luck with Lenovo ThinkPads (T420 and T450s) and HP EliteBooks (8710p, 8560p, 8460p, and now an 8770w).

 

John_A

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.. actually these days LG is officially short for Life's Good. But your correct that Lucky and Goldstar was two brandings, one for Kitchen appliances and the other consumer electronics.

Lucky Goldstar is a horrible name. Probably thats why they changed it.

 

Scott Baret

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South Korean appliances as a whole have improved dramatically over the past 30 years. Samsung TVs and Hyundai cars were at the bottom of the pack in the late 80s, but today both are well-respected, as are LG and other products. I have a friend from Pusan who told me about the ramp-up in quality in the 1990s and how the industries invested lots of time, money, and energy into research (he actually cited LG as an example of this) to create globally competitive products. He explained how the industries were embarrassed about how some of the products were reviewed in other nations at first (he said he would never, ever drive an old Hyundai!) and how the turnaround occurred through great engineering. It worked, too--if I were in the market for appliances today, LG and Samsung would be at the top of my list, and everyone I know with a Hyundai or Kia has been happy with their car.

(This guy pursued a career in engineering himself, so I find his analysis very credible; he moved back to Pusan after finishing college to pursue his career).

I use an LG washer for my laundry and have been pleased with it; I also had a few LG phones before I got an iPhone and really liked them. (LG also has a neat little personality to some of its electronics--the washers and refrigerators play little songs and sounds when you use their functions).

 

Unknown_K

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Just about every Asian manufacturer sucked when they first started out. Most got much better or get out of the business. Some like SONY backslide.

 

omidimo

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I am still using the ACD 30" LCDs, they were made using LG Panels, got six of them and I will be sad when they die. 

Back in the late 90s, I recall the Hitachi RasterOps displays were pretty damn good, but rather ugly.

Always wanted the AppleVIsion/ColorSync, but they were so flaky. Once the Apple Studio Display showed up in 1998, the CRT lusting was over. 

LG has some of the best Ultra-wide 4k Displays these days, unless Apple ever gets off it's fat rich ass and makes a 5K Display as good if not better than the iMac 5K. One can hope.

 

Paralel

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LG stuff is good these days. My LG LED LCD TV is great. My washer/dryer are also great. LG is second only to Samsung these days coming from S. Korea.

I'm not sure what happened to Sony, but they went from literally the best game on the block to shit you shouldn't touch with a 10-ft pole except for the PS4

 
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