Compact Macs On the Web- Got Some Questions

[CompactMacLover]

I recently got all my old compact macs out of storage and started messing with them, and I hit a thrift shop and found a brand new in box DaynaPort E/Z Serial Ethernet Converter for mac. I figured Id get one of these beasts online.

So I grabbed a Classic II with 10MB RAM I had laying around, Installed SSW 7.1, The Dayna Drivers and MacTCP and a web browser, Got MacTCP Configured and working. However no matter what web browser I use- MacWeb, Netscape, Mosiac, I cannot see anything outside my own network. For the DNS Server config in MacTCP, I set it to the DNS Servers that are handed out by Comcast our cable provider. Its kind of bugging me,

Is there any version of MacTCP That supports DHCP Configuration in System 7.1. All my other network services work flawlessly, when the Dayna decides to stay connected to my 10/100 Ethernet Hub. Should I have just a 10baseT hub to run the older compact macs with the DaynaPorts. If this will work on the Classic II, then Id love to try it on an SE I have laying around. My networking teacher at college says macs are useless. Would love to show him up if I can turn one of these into some sort of web/BBS/Telnet server

Thanks Guys

 

[ClassicHasClass]

TTBOMK MacTCP does not support DHCP. You need OpenTransport for that.

You can use it for bootp, but I doubt very much Comcast handles that.

 

[Cory5412]

OpenTransport might not run on an '000 processor, at least based on the recollections I have of it, so if everything else works and it looks like you just can't get an IP address, I'd just set a static one in a range that your home network DHCP server isn't using. (I have a Linksys router, BEFSX41, and the default DHCP range therein is 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150, as I recall) so I just statically assign things into little buckets below 100, although I'll probably start going above 150 at some point, just depending on what kinds of devices my network sees in the future.

If it does run on 68000, it looks like OT 1.3 is recommended for 7.5, here's a convenient download: http://main.system7today.com/updates/75x_68k.html (It also has some other 7.5 updates.)

 

[CompactMacLover]

I can give it an IP address, but it refuses to connect to the outside world. I can load up the web page from my snow leopard box no problem in MacWeb, but as far as it seeing the internet, I get nothing. It sees all the rest of my Macs, my printer and everything. It just doesnt see the web.

Im stumped on this one. and I really dont want to go to 7.5.5- thats what it had on it, and it was dog slow.

 

[mactjaap]

Nice find this DaynaPORT E/Z!!

I found an small part of the introduction article on the web:

Dayna Communications has announced an Ethernet adapter for "slotless"

Macintoshes (Plus, Classic, Portable) and single-slot Macs (SE, LC, IIsi) that

already have a card occupying their slot, Called the DaynaPort E/Z, it

connects to the Mac's printer port. Protocols supported include Ethertalk,

TCP/IP, DecNet and OSI.

I understand that you connect this device to the printer port and that you

then have a working Ethernet connection! Really great!

I have a DaynaPORT SCSI/LINK 3. This device is connected to the SCSI port. I

works fine, but without DHCP. I use one of the IP addresses of the DHCP range

the router provides which I add manually to the MacTCP control panel. The

range is from 192.168.1.10 to 192.168.1.30, so I use IP addresses like

192.168.1.31, etc. This works fine.

I must admit that I have the same DNS problems a you. Normally I can add the

router as DNS server (192.168.1.1) and computers will have a perfect internet

connection with DNS. This is for Macintoshes with OT, Linux, etc. But not for

MacTCP. Also adding a DNS which the router it self uses doesn't work. Maybe

someone could shed some light over this MacTCP issue?

What I would do in the mean time until this issue is solved in your case is

run some http proxy software on an other machine. If you have a Linux machine

this could be squid. But also for Macintosh and Windows http proxy's are

available. For tlenet to the outside world I also use a port forward program.

This means that I connect with telnet to a machine on the local LAN and this

machine will forward it to the Internet. So... I don't need DNS. I use on my

Plus an external HD with System 7.1

If you would like to run a web server you should get MacHTTP:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/machttp/

If you would like to run a FTP server you should read my topic about NSCA

Telnet FTP server.

http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14854&start=0

If you would like to run a Telnet / Chat server you could try OT Chat

 

[CompactMacLover]

Well an update. I have Netscape 1.1N Installed, But I can only access stuff on my own network, nothing on the internet. Also sometimes I have to unplug and plug the local talk cable from the dayna back into the mac to get an ethernet link sometimes.

I know its something in DNS in MacTCP, but for the life of me I cant figure it out. Ive set the dns servers to everything I can think of and nothing works.

Im Running System Software 7.1

MacTCP 2.06

Netscape 1.1N

DaynaPort E/Z Serial-Ethernet Adapter.

Any ideas

 

[ClassicHasClass]

Are you sure it's not a gateway issue? How do you know it's DNS? If you see, say, Netscape saying Looking up ... and freezing there, then yes, DNS is the likely culprit. However, if it goes to Connecting to ..., then it's got an address and it just can't get there. It's also possible Comcast's DNS is unavailable because of the gateway being bad, but you can get around that by either a local nameserver or by trying known IP addresses.

 

[envirogeek]

Couple of thoughts...

It's not really clear to me what piece of gear on your network is acting as your router/physical connection to the Comcast network.

Instead of entering the ip's for the Comcast DNS servers in MacTCP, have you considered just giving MacTCP a single DNS server address, being that of your router? This assumes that your router can be configured for DNS caching. I believe you would then have to enter the router address in both the gateway and ip address fields in the MacTCP client.

Do you have other utilities outside of MacTCP to do a traceroute from the Classic box to confirm it can get to the outside world by ip even if DNS is not working for you?

It would be a pain in the butt, but you could try a hosts file... if you hard wire a couple of outside websites with ip addresses and you can reach them, then you are probably right, you have a DNS issue.

But, perhaps it is actually a NAT issue. Kind of a WAG, but maybe your router doesn't know how to NAT MacTCP, or vice versa?

Here's a link to a page with some MacTCP info from Adam Engsts Internet Starter Kit. It has some info about the hosts, DNR and prep files which might be helpful. Plus some suggestions for MacTCP utilities.

http://emperor.tidbits.com/Personal/Adam/books/iskm/iskm3html/pt4/ch17/ch17.html#aa10

 

[CompactMacLover]

Alright, I have a D-Link router connected to my comcast cable modem, and then the Classic is connected to that via the DaynaPort. Ive set machines up with static IP's before, just never had one this difficult. My only other option is to go with System 7.5.5 and Open Transport. I think SSW 7.5.5 and open transport would be a bit slow for it as well

 

[tomlee59]

You earlier asked about whether you should use a dedicated 10Mb/s hub to act as a go-between. That might solve your problem; autosensing/autoswitching might not work so well with that old converter. Give it a shot and report back. Good luck!

 

[Charlieman]

Open Transport will run fine on top of System 7.1.

Can you create a screen dump of your MacTCP control panel, please.

 

[CompactMacLover]

Shes up and running, Installed Open Transport 1.1, Set it to DHCP and shes happily purring on the net, now to throw MacHTTP on it and get a simple web page up. Should really be a blast showing my networking teacher what I can do with a 20 year old Mac

 

[mcdermd]

networking teacher

I love it. I'm still a young one compared to a lot of guys I know but an SE/30 was a state of the art powerhouse when I was a senior in High School and "networking" was something my dad did on VAX 11/780s and such.

Having a "networking teacher" is something I can't quite get a grip on

Have fun with your classic internet-capable Mac! It's always fun to solve a new challenge like that.

 

[CompactMacLover]

My colleges staff hates me and the few other Mac people in our networking classes, this teacher says macs are dead and Mac users shouldnt be allowed in college. In fact at the start of every class he asks if their is any Mac users in the class, and if you are a Mac user then you should leave. Crazy isn't it

 

[mcdermd]

Wow. Someone has a chip on their shoulder. What is the teacher's choice of OS?

 

[macclassic]

I had a similar problem.

My Classic on System 7.1 is connected to an Asante Mini EN/SC connected to a NETGEAR 10BASE-T Ethernet Hub connected to a Linksys 54G Wireless Access Point which connects to a broadband router downstairs which has a default ip address of 192.168.1.1 but assigns ip addresses dynamically within a range.

After some experiment I found the following settings (re: images) worked for me but I found a lot of websites difficult to navigate around with MacWeb 2.0c and NSCA Mosaic 1.0.3.

 

[Mk.558]

macclassic: CMD+Shift+3 makes screengrabs a lot easier copy the screen capture (it's PICT format) and it'll open in AppleWorks or Preview in OSX.

Are you lads using crossover or direct Ethernet cables when you're sharing the connection with another Mac? I have Wifi only here, so I want to share the connection with my Intel Mac mini.

 

[macclassic]

Ooops! I forgot that most basic keystroke.

No, I don't use a crossover cable when I connected my Plus to the NETGEAR 10BASE-T Ethernet Hub (connected to my WAP) note the grey patch cable in the photo.

If auto sensing isn't present I think plugging in the wrong cable just doesn't work but causes no harm.

 

[phreakout]

Oh, cool! I see you've tapped into the 5V and/or 12Vdc source off of the external floppy drive port in order to power up the Asante adapter. Very impressive. A self-sufficient way to power up your equipment. :approve: :approve:

73s de Phreakout. :rambo: