Classic Networking

[transcorpmla]

I have two older Macs (PPC7600 and G3 B&W) that I want to network. The PPC7600 is running OS 7.5 and the G3 is running OS 8.6

I have both HD's named and set for sharing. I have the two machines connected with a crossover cable via ethernet and Appletalk/TCPIP set for ethernet. Both machines have FS turned on.

Problem is evidently they can't "see" each other to connect using Appleshare in the chooser.

Footnote - I also have an iMac which connects fine to the G3 and also to the PPC7600. Seems the G3 doesn't like the PPC7600. Does anyone have a suggestion?

 

[paws]

The networking settings (particularly IP address and subnet mask) are correct?

 

[Dog Cow]

The networking settings (particularly IP address and subnet mask) are correct?

Those shouldn't matter if you're using the DHCP thing. Both Macs will just invent their own IP address.

 

[paws]

The networking settings (particularly IP address and subnet mask) are correct?

Those shouldn't matter if you're using the DHCP thing. Both Macs will just invent their own IP address.

Err. Only if there's a DHCP server somewhere on the network, shirley?

 

[porter]

The PPC7600 is running OS 7.5 and the G3 is running OS 8.6

I would expect the 7.5 box to be using AppleTalk for AppleShare, not TCP/IP.

Try setting up AppleTalk on ethernet instead.

 

[transcorpmla]

Thanks.

I have Appletalk on and set to ethernet on both the PPC7600 and the G3. Still can't get them to connect using the chooser.

 

[porter]

Is file sharing on?

Are the file sharing extensions enabled?

Confirm both have AppleTalk configured on ethernet.

Confirm both machines only have one ethernet port.

What zones do the machines think they are on?

What kind of G3?

Good old "ZAP the PRAM", as the AppleTalk node is held in PRAM and may not be being negotiated properly.

 

[Charlieman]

Good old "ZAP the PRAM", as the AppleTalk node is held in PRAM and may not be being negotiated properly.

The AppleTalk client should negotiate a unique ID every time. In the ten years that we routed AppleTalk for a peak of 2,000 clients, I saw a conflict twice (in the same router zone, too). In this case, it is difficult to believe a conflict has occurred on a three node network, but always possible.

 

[benjgvps]

Try putting a router in between them. I had a my PowerBook 150 connect to my iMac G3 (9.2.1) instantly after the driver installed for the ENSC Mini and rebooted.

 

[porter]

Oh, and have you plugged it in?

 

[porter]

Try putting a router in between them. I had a my PowerBook 150 connect to my iMac G3 (9.2.1) instantly after the driver installed for the ENSC Mini and rebooted.

I find having my Win2k server managing the AppleTalk zones makes a difference.

 

[LCGuy]

Why do you need DHCP, anyway? If you've only got the two machines on the network, wouldn't it be easier to just give each a static IP? (most likely in the 192.168.0.xxx range)

 

[transcorpmla]

Assigning each a static address makes sense to me. Is that as simple as manually assigning the addresses in TCP/IP or do I need to connect a router in between them and do so through admin?

 

[LCGuy]

Nope, its as simple as just going into TCP/IP and giving both machines a unique IP address. You only need a router if you're connecting the machines to the Internet. Its just a matter of going into TCP/IP control panel on both machines, selecting ethernet, and setting one machine's IP address to 192.168.0.1, and the other to 192.168.0.2, with 255.255.255.0 as the subnet mask for both machines.

 

[transcorpmla]

Thanks again. I tried unique IP addresses for each machine to no avail.

Footnote - I can network (via ethernet) my PPC7600 to my iMac and my iMac to my G3 but I can't seem to network the G3 to the PPC7600.

I may install the router between them to see if that will work.

 

[transcorpmla]

Thanks again. I tried unique IP addresses for each machine to no avail.

Footnote - I can network (via ethernet) my PPC7600 to my iMac and my iMac to my G3 but I can't seem to network the G3 to the PPC7600.

I may install the router between them to see if that will work.

 

[porter]

I may install the router between them to see if that will work.

Is the 7.5 box using Appleshare over IP, if not you are wasting your time.

To resolve the IP issue, get a copy of some Macintosh Ping client, like, ohh, MacPing, and confirm one box can see the other.

If you put a UNIX box on the network segment you could do packet capturing and see who was sending what.