Asantetalk

[billynomates]

Hi - new to this, so please bear with me!

I have an SE/30 running A/UX 3.02 and associated 7.0.1 finder. All working fine.

I'd like to get this networked, but I'm having a lot of problems finding a suitable card. I think this is a 030 PDS card, but ebay is pretty short of compatible ones. Especially for A/UX (although could ditch it if necessary). Does anyone know where I could get one? (pref. in the UK?)

Have tried using setport / getty and (what I thought was) a modem port to (standard PC) D type 9 pin serial connector with a null modem adapter. Maybe this isn't the correct cable. I do get a login prompt using putty on vista across the serial port without the null modem adapter. Any attempt to type anything inputs gibberish. Have tried multiple settings on the PC serial port. Not sure how (if) you change the mac one...

So how about an asantetalk ethernet - localtalk bridge? One end into the mac, the other into my hub. Do you know (think) this will work? To a PC? To a Unix network?

Any advice / learnings would be most appreciated...

Cheers!

 

[porter]

What are you trying to do exactly?

If you want a TCP/IP network connection to A/UX without an ethernet card then you would need to use SLIP.

A/UX will do appletalk over LocalTalk and hence an AsanteTalk device would work but

(a) I don't know if A/UX itself will put IP over MacIP

( B) you would need a MacIP gateway

 

[Charlieman]

Asante and Farallon made several types of LocalTalk to ethernet adapter. Some only provide the printer functions of AFP, some will do IP and AppleTalk and some do MacIP and AppleTalk. Finding the middle one, which is what you need, may be as tricky as finding an SE/30 ethernet card.

SE/30 ethernet cards are easier to find than you might expect. A bunch of NOS cards from a US warehouse were sold off five years ago, so there are many out there.

 

[billynomates]

Login remotely / file transfer / X11. Mainly transferring tar.gz files which don't seem to survive PC resource fork flattening...

As I recall, the SLIP system in A/UX is CLI based...? Any ideas as to it's config...?

:beige:

What are you trying to do exactly?
If you want a TCP/IP network connection to A/UX without an ethernet card then you would need to use SLIP.

A/UX will do appletalk over LocalTalk and hence an AsanteTalk device would work but

(a) I don't know if A/UX itself will put IP over MacIP

( B) you would need a MacIP gateway

 

[billynomates]

I think half the problem is the very specific nature of these cards. Like hens teeth for me - haven't seen any on ebay in 3 months of looking. Any ideas where there are some / one...??! :?:

Asante and Farallon made several types of LocalTalk to ethernet adapter. Some only provide the printer functions of AFP, some will do IP and AppleTalk and some do MacIP and AppleTalk. Finding the middle one, which is what you need, may be as tricky as finding an SE/30 ethernet card.
SE/30 ethernet cards are easier to find than you might expect. A bunch of NOS cards from a US warehouse were sold off five years ago, so there are many out there.

 

[porter]

Login remotely

serial link would be fine

/ file transfer

serial would be a pain but doable

X11

Not going to be good except for the most basic X program

Mainly transferring tar.gz files which don't seem to survive PC resource fork flattening...

What have resource forks got to do with tar.gz files?

I use binhex as my cross platform format for fat Mac files.

. As I recall, the SLIP system in A/UX is CLI based...? Any ideas as to it's config...?

man slattach

First what are you going to have it talk to? Most Linux and NetBSD distributions seem to be dropping support for slip.

For my own purposes I wrote a program that connects SLIP to PPP, you are welcome to try it out, it depends how keen you are.

 

[billynomates]

Definitely would like to give that a try. Thanks for the offer.

Trying to attach to a PC, running Windows / Vista primarily, but have also got another network with a VAXstation (running VMS 7.3), an Indigo2 (IRIX 6.5.9), an Ultra 60 (Solaris 10u6), an IBM 43P-140 (AIX5.1), a Sparc 5 (NeXTSTEP 3.3) and a Alpha Personal Workstation again running VMS7.3. All support SLIP afaik...?

The networking's pretty much sorted out between them. Just need to get the Mac on the switch.

Have also got an old beige G3 (OS8 or 9 I think) or a Quadra (also running A/UX 3) which I thought I may be able to use as a bridge.

Login remotely

serial link would be fine

/ file transfer

serial would be a pain but doable

X11

Not going to be good except for the most basic X program

Mainly transferring tar.gz files which don't seem to survive PC resource fork flattening...

What have resource forks got to do with tar.gz files?

I use binhex as my cross platform format for fat Mac files.

. As I recall, the SLIP system in A/UX is CLI based...? Any ideas as to it's config...?

man slattach

First what are you going to have it talk to? Most Linux and NetBSD distributions seem to be dropping support for slip.

For my own purposes I wrote a program that connects SLIP to PPP, you are welcome to try it out, it depends how keen you are.

 

[porter]

Trying to attach to a PC, running Windows / Vista primarily, but have also got another network with a VAXstation (running VMS 7.3), an Indigo2 (IRIX 6.5.9), an Ultra 60 (Solaris 10u6), an IBM 43P-140 (AIX5.1), a Sparc 5 (NeXTSTEP 3.3) and a Alpha Personal Workstation again running VMS7.3. All support SLIP afaik...?

If you already have working versions of SLIP over tty/rs232 then use those.

I would choose the UNIX box that implements SLIP and is the quietest and physically nearest the SE/30 for the serial cable to reach. Then start up "cu" or similar on the box and confirm they are both talking to each other, eg you can log into one from the other.

Then allocate unique IP addresses for either end of the SLIP link. Then start looking at slattach on the two systems.

Although many support SLIP, A/UX, for example, does not support SLIP on a pseudo-terminal, it has to be a real tty port.