ADT on my new IIgs - Help!

[Huxley]

Hi guys,

As some of you will have already seen, I just picked up (along with a bunch of other stuff) an Apple IIgs, which is now set up on my desk, along with my Color Classic and beige G3.

So, after much tinkering, I've finally gotten MacADT on the G3 to send over the adt.dmp program to the IIgs. However, once it finishes copying to the gs, the gs presents me with a screen with the following options:

SEND, RECEIVE, DIR, CONFIGURE, QUIT?

My problem is that I have no idea what to do next! Any directions you can provide would be great. BTW, I've got both 5.25" and 3.5" drives hooked up to the machine, and I've got a pile of fresh, blank 5.25" floppies ready to go. I'd really like to make some sort of boot disk for the gs - either ProDOS or DOS 3.3 (I think...), but I don't know how to continue from here...

Thanks for the ideas,

Huxley

 

[david__schmidt]

To recap from your post over on Applefritter:

http://www.applefritter.com/node/21411

You asked about MacADT, though that's not what you really wanted, as you found out later. But for those that do:

I updated MacADT as part of the older DOS ADT package so that it will support IIgs computers in the first place; it wouldn't ever have worked with the version you had. The updated DOS ADT package is on the ADTPro download page:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170262

MacADT includes a server that will run on a 68k Mac.

Newer Macs that run OSX can use ADTPro, which expands on ADT in a bunch of ways, including supporting all the different devices that you can connect to the IIgs. The ADTPro server is in Java, so you aren't constrained by Classic. And the ADTPro server will serve both DOS ADT as well as ProDOS ADTPro down on the IIgs.

The ADTPro website has a pile of setup and bootstrapping information:

http://adtpro.sourceforge.net

And an entertaining walkthrough is here - "Using an Apple IIe as a serial term with Gentoo Linux":

http://www.dataswamp.net/apple2eserialterm/

- David

 

[Academician]

Hey David,

I was wondering if you could help me. I'm using the MacADT program found in your ADTPro 2007 package, mostly because I can easily hook up my Centris to the modem port of my GS.

I can successfully get the program over to the GS and it starts ok, but there is a slight problem. If I enter R, and then enter the filename of the ADT dsk image on the centris, it gives me some random code and hex values and the program is irrecoverable from that point.

I have gone into the configuration and set the baud to various places, even upped the retry attempts, to no avail.

The directory function also works, and well, and lists the image I am trying to grab off the centris. But as I described above, every attempt fails.

I have looked through much of the documentation and either I'm missing something big or I just don't get what's going on here. Any help you can convey would be greatly appreciated.

-Academician

 

[david__schmidt]

I can successfully get the program over to the GS and it starts ok, but there is a slight problem. If I enter R, and then enter the filename of the ADT dsk image on the centris, it gives me some random code and hex values and the program is irrecoverable from that point.

I know what you're talking about - it's a couple of lines of garbage on the ADT client end. I saw that recently on my Laser 128, but rebooting fixed it. Not an ideally debuggable situation. :-(

I have gone into the configuration and set the baud to various places, even upped the retry attempts, to no avail.

When you go into config, did it auto-select "IIgs Modem" for you? That would suggest that it at least figured out where your serial hardware was.

The directory function also works, and well, and lists the image I am trying to grab off the centris. But as I described above, every attempt fails.

That suggests to me that bi-directional commands ought to be working. Can you try sending a disk back up to the Centris to see how it fails? I'm coming up blank at this point. If directory commands work, that usually signifies a good connection. What can you tell me about the IIgs? Is it a vanilla ROM 03, and you're using a 8-pin min-din cable from the IIgs to the Centris?

 

[Academician]

Thanks for the quick reply =]

I consistently get that "garbage" on my screen after quite a few hard-resets... I haven't yet tried to send a disk back to the Centris, so I'll probably give that a shot before I hit the hay.

The config indeed automatically selects the IIgs Modem option.

This GS is a ROM01 with a fully populated 1Mb memory card, no other expansions. Although I have other drives, I've currently just hooked up one of the 5.25" drives to the GS to remove any possible errors from that.

I'm using a Mini-din 8 cable between the modem port on the GS and the modem port on the Centris. I have tried the printer port on the Centris but that doesn't even send the program at all (even when selected in MacADT), which is somewhat weird. I also do have another serial cable I can try between the two, and rule out that cause.

I'll do some further testing but any other advice you have with the information I provided would be appreciated =]

-Academician

 

[John8520]

I had that same problem with ADPPro on my Apple ][+, reboots did nothing to help.

 

[david__schmidt]

I had that same problem with ADPPro on my Apple ][+, reboots did nothing to help.

One point of clarification I need from both of you: which server are you using? I understand Academician is using MacADT server. What about John8520?

Then, which client is each using? I understand Academician is using DOS ADT (not ADTPro), which is supposed to work. If either is trying to use the ADTPro client with the old MacADT server, that isn't expected to work. The rules are:

New ADTPro server: serves new and old clients (ADT/ADTPro)

Old ADT/MacADT server: only serves old DOS ADT client

So mixing old and new is sometimes a problem, and I'm not confident that's what's at fault here, but just wanted to make that clarification.

 

[Academician]

Tried to send a disk back to the Centris but I got the same error that I get when trying to receive.

When trying to receive I noticed I get a Testing Disk Format message, and then the garbage begins. Edit: This happens with any disk image I try to send, not just the default.

I wish I could try to use the printer port to send, but it seems like it must be turned off through the OS, which I will have to investigate.

I do own an Apple ][e with an SSC, so I may buy a null modem cable to ty and send images to that from one of my PCs...

-Academician

 

[John8520]

I was using ADTPro, and the client was the audio one, since I don't have a serial port on this laptop, and I don't have a USB-Serial adapter yet.

 

[david__schmidt]

I was using ADTPro, and the client was the audio one, since I don't have a serial port on this laptop, and I don't have a USB-Serial adapter yet.

The audio version is not going to have the same types of problems - and for that, you must use ADTPro on both ends. It's the only version that knows how to speak audio. If you want to work the kinks of your audio setup out, do you want to start a new thread?

 

[John8520]

Not yet, my ][+ is still in a state of not workingness, but it should be going again soon.

 

[Academician]

I just attempted to run MacADT from my LC550, and I got the same results. I still couldn't send out the printer port, which was strange.

I'm going to try grabbing an audio cable tomorrow, see if I can't get ADTPro running through my PCs...

-Academician

 

[david__schmidt]

I still couldn't send out the printer port, which was strange.

My IIci will only run MacADT out the modem port, even though the default seems to be the printer port.

 

[vanitaphoneco]

hello,

i'm also still getting ADTPro to work with my new Apple IIgs. originally i had a problem--i think i posted on applefritter but not here--where the apple iigs talked to an older mac laptop i had but not my new macbook pro; since a recent leopard update though the new macbook pro will connect, receive disk images from the apple iigs, and the apple iigs can successfully browse the macbook pro's disk folder.

the problem now--which is the same on both mac laptops and multiple usbserial adapters i've tried--is that when i try to send an image to the iigs it will receive the first 3-5 blocks (it's different every time) pretty fast and then slow down to a stop. very odd since:

1. i'm using disks that i had previously successfully written to

2. i'm using images that had previously worked

3. disk images are transferring completely successfully FROM the iigs to the macbook.

has anyone had any experience with this kind of problem? i've tried at multiple baud speeds (i'm connecting over the modem port). different disks and everything. i thought that maybe it was a problem with the 5.25" drive but the same exact problem happens if i try to make another bootable adtpro disk on the 3.5" drive.

cheers,

c

 

[vanitaphoneco]

update:

after giving it another shot on my powerbook g3 (the laptop that originally had worked fine) i'm finding everything going fairly smoothly.

so it appears a leopard/java update may have fixed part of the transfer problem on the NEW macbook pro? that made it work halfway but still not be able to send disk images TO the IIgs?

-c